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The vast majority are coming for a better life and if they allow Turkey in the EU it will be unstoppable supporting justice in the middle is means different things to different people I support it too, nutbag governments ??? What does that mean ? Bombing the place ? You mean bombing the Islamic state ? you speak as if the west is a deranged place that bombs places for no reason whatsoever and as for us making money our defence of our civilisation has run into the trillions so far not sure we made money

nutbag govts - saudi, Saddam in the 80's , Israel

Bombing the place - iraq, yemen,syria now,drones in north africa

We do have a reason for bombing - money

And by money I don't mean money for the public , i mean the money the military industry makes..private industry which then buys the politicians whom then make sure endlless war continues

So you are saying emp we are bombing to create money for the defence industries ? And that's the reason ? And we shouldn't deal with Israel ? And there will be peace in the world there will be no radicalism in western societies and the mass raping and abuse of children will stop ?. Islamic state and the Islamic terrosrist groups all over the world will stop ? Yeah that sounds plausible !

I would imagine with all this money the defence industries are making they would be rich very very rich indeed given the costs of the wars has run into trillions so how come this is not reflected in the profits of bae in Lancashire which are laying workers off ? If what you are saying is true you would expect them to be taking on workers as fast as they can find them.

It also has been revealed this week that the British government are more or less using every tornado and typhoon they have and are struggling to find spare jets to bomb Syria were they making all this money surely we would have jets coming out of our ears?

Christ I am getting worn out debating with neo nazi's. Stan the profits the military complex makes is in the trillions..if u know how capitialism works then u know they are always downsizing or fiddling accounts in order to treat their workforce like crap.

And as I have repeatedly quoted from US intelligence experts who say we created and are fueling ISIS with our violence then yes I think we should stop what we are doing..endless wars only benefit the elite.

Take the moral ground for once we should not the money ground.

I have never been called a neo nazi before emp I will put that on my cv. Rather than a money making scheme defence industries are very expensive most countries can't afford them and buy equipment elsewhere. They are basically manufacturing industries and make money on equipment purchases the British government last decades has run down our defence hence our defence industry is just about surviving not making trillions. America is in debt due to defence expenditure had they been making trillions they would be in the black and pretty sure the American defence industry has slowed down also. Yes the more equipment bought the better the defence industries do but your notion there is no reason for us to have defended ever since the last world war and the motive is making money is far left revolutionary clap trap.

Are you really that ignorant or are you trying to sell this crap to people.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/busi...om-war/1970997/

https://canadiandimension.com/articles/v...-and-casualties

Are you serious ? The more equipment sold the more defence industries make ! We'll blow me over with a peashooter I would never have imagined that. They make equipment they are private industries so yes the higher the demand they more they make. Pretty sure they did ok in World War Two and did ok from the Cold War too Islamic terror will increase demand. Are you saying World War Two was created by the west to make money ?

In todays world Stan private industry is (supposedly public) Govt policy. They buy what they want, their lobbies push for more war , half of american politicians have ties with these companies.Our unethical stance on the world reflect these influences. Trillions of dollars they have made in the last couple of decades, you think they are going to just sit back and let those percentage levels dwindle? Do you know not know how aggressive they are in keeping those kinda margins...why this endless war you have been selling people is here to stay.

Far too much truth there Sixty for the ideologues like EMP I'm afraid.

Stark realities of the Human gene pool not being all cozy and similar and we can all just get along like you have just stated make for uncomfortable reading to those still preaching the failed 'isms' of both right and especially left.

Emp,s position is that the west waging war is not about defence but making money for a few evil capitalists. We create Islamic state and the various Muslim terrorist groups in order to make money and without action by the evil west the whole of the Muslim world would be peaceful. I am pretty sure he also said we should disband our armed forces anyone who might disagree with this analysis is a neo nazi. Meanwhile in the real world the EU has granted access to the EU for all 75 million Turks a country moving from a secular state to an Islamic fundamentalist with open borders to the Middle East what could go wrong there then ? Also tommorrow in the British Parliament when they are debating whether to go to war against the friendly peace loving Islamic state in order to make more money the Labour Party Britains supposedly opposition party has a position of for and against the war under the leadership of their exciting new leader comrade Corbyn.