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There are some military experts pleading caution with good reason the situation is complex and risky there are other military experts saying we need to act. Incidentally it's only Britain we are talking about and our forces are small two dozen tornadoes of which 12 are already attacking Iraq. The war is steady taking place with a large number of countries involved including Russia and China and Muslim Middle East States the debates is about Britains involvement which is really token and symbolic. Something you keep ignoring. Your assertion it's purely to do with the wests action is both simplistic and incorrect this is a global crisis based upon a movenent that wants to convert the world to Islam a movement that's been here before at one time much of Europe was Islamic. And as I keep repeating most of the casualties of this movement are fellow Muslims

Try thinking of a scenario were the west doesn't invade iraq, doesn't have drone campaigns and allows the two state solution to happen. A much more peaceful world - so our actions need to be reversed and our support has to be taken away from the sunni's and we have to create a fair and just middle east for the shia who you repeatedly say are the main victims. What you excuse however is our support for the sunni's our pre war plans to undermine the shia;s by invading iraq, followed by our destabilization of syria..all of these in writing before the war and all happening now. Your policies and solutions are just following the script and are completely hypocritical and lead nowhere

The destablisation of Syria is the civil war but whatever the arguments over what went on in the past and its so complex none of us can say this or that would have happened had we not done x or y. Islamic fundamentalism has always been around and the first re-surfacing happen 200 years ago. But we are where we are and I cannot imagine how people can countenance doing nothing and allowing Islamic State to carry on in Syria and Iraq bloodletting inncocents and then ultimately spread to Saudi and Jordan and other middle east states and potentially Turkey as well getting hold of more serious weapons. To say nothing of the world wide problem of Islamic terror

And your policies only make this more likely to happen, I don't see a solution in what you want to do.. bomb ISIS and continue to support saudi state fundamentalism and saudi/sunni wars against the oppressed Shia..how is that going to stop Islamic terrorism?

It is not a coincidence that Islamic terrorism against the west just happened to coincide with our wars and our funding of extremism - if you believe that it is then there is no hope for you. Our history is to support the nutbags against the moderates and the majority....every country we have stuck our noses in its the exact same. That is why they hates us and why they can recruit so easily. Saudi invaded Bahrain to kill Shia protesters and we said fine thats cool you do that- when the west actually takes a moral stand on situations like that then we can talk about trying to make the world a better place, anything else is just militarism and two faced terrorist enhancing bias

I think the critisim of Saudi is fair and as part of this war we need to adjust our relationship with Saudi and Turkey as well in addition to other Middle East States unlike the 1970's we are not as dependant on them for oil. However casting them aside into the wilderness will not help either and these countries themselves are bombing Islamic state. Whether our past policies helped develop Islamic state is debatable but whether it's true or not does not matter what does matter is the situation we face today and if this is unchecked and if we continue with the scale of Islamic migration to Europe our societies will be in peril in less than a generation

So you should be supporting policies like that of Bernie Saunders and Corbyn, which seek to stabilize the middle east and stop our bias in the region. That will solve this peril u speak off, bombing and supporting Sunni fundamentalism will only enhance this peril u are so scared off.

Hey emp, was this you??

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/irishmans-hilarious-letter-isis-tells-6914867

Damn funny!

I am glad you mentioned our friend Mr democracy Corbyn over the weekend his enforcers including union barons have been threatening Labour MP's who vote for action in syria with deselection as MP,s democracy Corbyn style. The man is a [oops] just a pupper of the far left gangsters who are really pulling the strings.

as far as I am aware he called a free vote, unusual as the party whip is usually used in politics..so yeah pro democracy, tho I am sure he wants the MP's to resign, he wants his own guys in..he has the support of the labour movement the MP's are isolated.

The labour party used to be a broad church many traditional working class people in Britain are patriotic they are against mass immigration and pro defending our interests plus you have the middle class swing voters. UKIP largely decided the last election by taking labour voters in traditional working class areas like where I live. There is a key by election this Thursday at Oldham which used to be a nailed on labour seat now neck and neck with UKIP. The Labour Party today has lost these traditional labour voters and the swing middle class who voted Blair in think Corbyn is a basket case. Far left and metropolitan liberal luvies have taken over the membership of the Labour Party it's MP,s are still stuck in the old world. So yes you are right there is a disconnect between the members and it's MP,s and I am sure Corbyn wants to replace them with far left MP,s. But overall labours vote has fallen to its lowest ever Corbyn has not a hole in hell being elected with just the far left. Effectively Britain is a one party state which is not good we need two parties capable of government