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I am ok with making the middle east a better place so millions of people don't have to risk their lives in a fleeing panic.

A very politician like dodging the question answer!

This is in the hands of those people living there except probably Palestine and Lebanon because of Israel. There are not lot's of Emiratis and Saudies and Qataris and Omanis and Kuwaities fleeing their country are they? Are you saying they have less oil? You want to open all borders as in your earlier mail but not too interested to have them in Ireland, yea? I knew you were BSting all the way with your high moral values.

Society should have no borders, no weapon selling , no private investment and ownership of the public arena, and would abide by general consensus which is what the UN is suppose to be. You thinking you have got me on some moral issue now (because I support proper channeled immigration of these poor people) is just typical of the simplistic rhetoric of hatred. No one country can take all these refugees but the west must surely make sure they are all comfortable, and obviously the USA and UK bare the biggest responsibility because they caused this disaster -on purpose imo

To give people an idea of the people emp sides with this is the comments mark rylance of stop the war coalition a far left bunch of radical revolutioneries who don't want to stop all war they are fine with voilence as long as it's against the west.

Anyway our hero spoke over the weekend likening Islamic state to nelson Mandela and rather than bomb Islamic state we should sit down over a table and negotiate with them. Quite what we are going to hand over as our part of the negotiations was not clear

This is the narrative of emp too no matter what the voilence whether to Muslims or Christians (most Islamic state victims are fellow Muslims in the Middle East) no matter what everything everything always is the fault of the west and the west should never ever ever ever try to defend itself or protect innocents from being butchered and enslaved

So who's the real evil then ? The west or Islamic state and their apologists and tacit supporters ?

No stan that is your simplistic hateful conclusions, you don't have any answers cause you think it is ok to carry out invasions and ok to back the most fundamentalist regimes in the middle east and then blindly refuse to take responsibility for the outcomes.

I don't support violence in any form, but it is easy to read the origins of this current violent disaster... we invaded and destroyed Iraq and supported the neighbouring countries who extolled this evil version of Islam and we still do. The evidence is there in writing that this was pre-planned to weaken Iran and Syria and subject the Shia to yet more violence and oppression . The West will never be in a position to repair the damage done until it has a proper moral compass down there....atm its all to do with power and money..as u say its ok to support the nutters if your economy is doing well out of it..

Even if I accept your arguments it's the wests fault for Iraq (which I don't) then what do we do ? The situation is what it is and we need to deal with the now and the future. Not withdraw and allow evil to spread over the world. Were this to do with the wests policies in the Middle East it would be confined to the Middle East and attacks would be on the west mainly America. But it's global and the majority of victims by quite a distance are fellow Muslims. Yes we need to learn lessons and for me the biggest is the west cannot impose democracy but the war now is not the west against Islamic state if you look who's fighting it's an alliance Muslim countries Russia Europe Australia and America with Arab ground forces. That force needs to get the job done and leave the Arabs to sort it in their own countries if they end up with leaders like Assad saddam and Gaddafi then so be it better than the lawless situation now. Then we need to deal with the Islamic problem in western societies where most of the attacks are coming from I have no answers on that one except we have to urgently stop large scale Islamic migration to Europe otherwise Christian cultures face a very bleak future

All your assumptions are wrong, we never tried to impose democracy anywhere ever - the complete opposite, we support and continue to support elite rule against democracy everywhere we go. Afghan and Iraq we brought in outsiders to rule over the countries and in Iraq's case did everything we could to make sure Iranian supported agenda's could not be voted into power in any region. These actions are mirrored throughout our history in every region in the world, latin america - we supported the ruthless dictators, we supported white South Africa , and in Asia we just blew the crap out of them and stopped elections from happening.

As to what to do now, well any western action is going to be viewed as unilateral more of the same carnage and if we continue drone attacks and support of elite radicals then terrorism we only increase in that region.

My suggestion and the only sane thing to do is to enforce the UN agreed two state solution , put pressure and remove our support of radical Islamic govts and allow syria and Iran to defeat ISIS with the UN used to create and enforce buffer zones and enforce the 2 state solution.

Alas these suggestions go against our aims and tactics, we are going to support the Sunni's and Israel no matter what..we are going to continue our drone attacks and so yes Europe is going to become more and more open to terrorist attacks.. Your Govts know this and could care less.. endless war is the aim and its been achieved

Talking of UN resolutions the UN recently approved a resolution to attack Islamic state even China did not object the world is united yes Corbyn and a few far left are opposed but they oppose everything the west does and are seeking an alternative system of government by non democractic means e.g subversion

The Islamic problem is global even Russia and China are facing it and if you look at Turkey attaturk a hundred years ago was facing Isalmic extremisim exactly the same as we face in the west today and accross the globe this problem has been around since biblical times

Stan our drone attacks and iraq invasion are the cause of this, listen to the military experts telling you so. There will always be crazy fundamentalist cults in the world, if our actions make them grow and recruit then it is our fault. Their agenda is global Islamic jihad our actions are not responsible for their agenda but our actions are responsible for their popularity, I don't see what's hard to understand in that. US intelligence and US drone operators tell us we are the fuel for ISIS. We want this to happen..Endless war, clash of civilization [oops], what Corbyn wants is real democracy.. the world wants peace and wants solutions in the middle east.Isn't that democracy - like the majority of the world are for a 2state solution in Palestine and was against the Iraq war..our policies are against democracy