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Originally Posted By: EMP
It is a scary time, ireland is now on ISIS hit list(which i always expected but never wanted to post about shannon airport and all that in case they forgot about us) and there are actually garda with machine guns now..never seen that before, good chance we could get hit cause we have no security budget at all...still doesn't change my beliefs but it is not nice to think some dude could just blow himself up in the middle of xmas shopping or something


Exactly emp to my knowledge Ireland has not bombed the Middle East or taken any foreign policy decisions but they are under as much threat as Britain. So why ? It's a Christian country in the eyes of these maniacs that makes it a prime target I also see Ireland has a growing Muslim population if it's like Britain (which I bet it is) they will live together creating a mini version of their homeland entirely separate from Irish culture which can harbour radicalisation hidden from the host community until it happens. Look at the London bombers basically four lads who were unknown to the authorities (one was a nursery teacher) headed down the motorway from Leeds and created devastation to the British capital injured hundreds and killed 52 people. The fact Ireland does not have a large security budget is worrying because you are going to need one.


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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Originally Posted By: EMP
It is a scary time, ireland is now on ISIS hit list(which i always expected but never wanted to post about shannon airport and all that in case they forgot about us) and there are actually garda with machine guns now..never seen that before, good chance we could get hit cause we have no security budget at all...still doesn't change my beliefs but it is not nice to think some dude could just blow himself up in the middle of xmas shopping or something


Exactly emp to my knowledge Ireland has not bombed the Middle East or taken any foreign policy decisions but they are under as much threat as Britain. So why ? It's a Christian country in the eyes of these maniacs that makes it a prime target I also see Ireland has a growing Muslim population if it's like Britain (which I bet it is) they will live together creating a mini version of their homeland entirely separate from Irish culture which can harbour radicalisation hidden from the host community until it happens. Look at the London bombers basically four lads who were unknown to the authorities (one was a nursery teacher) headed down the motorway from Leeds and created devastation to the British capital injured hundreds and killed 52 people. The fact Ireland does not have a large security budget is worrying because you are going to need one.
Ireland might be under threat but I doubt they are even close to the danger which Nato countries, especially the US,Britain, France and Germany find themselves in.


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Jurgen Todenhofer for the Guardian...

Since the Paris attacks, western politicians have been walking open-eyed into a trap set by the terrorists – just like they did after 9/11. They retaliate with bombs, even though bombs are one of the main reasons why we are facing terrorism in the first place: because bombs predominantly kill innocent people, and thus help to create fresh recruits for the terrorist cause.

As I learned from spending time interviewing Islamic State members in Syria and northern Iraq, George W Bush’s “war on terror” turned out to be a classic terrorist recruitment programme of this kind. In 2001 there were roughly a couple of hundred terrorists in the mountains of the Hindu Kush who posed a threat to the international community. Now, after the war on terror has claimed what some estimate to be as many as one million Iraqi lives, we are facing some 100,000 terrorists. Isis was created six months after the start of the invasion: it is Bush’s baby.

How can it be that leading politicians learned nothing from 14 years of counterproductive anti-terror wars? How can it be that they still believe that the best way to get rid of an infestation of wasps is to batter the nests with a sledgehammer?

The Syrian city of Raqqa, which is now populated by only 200,000 citizens, has become one of the favourite targets of the French president, François Hollande. American, Jordanian, Russian and Syrian military jets have been reinforced by French bombers. British ones could soon be joining them, dropping their deadly load on what remains of the city’s foundations – even though out of 20,000 Isis fighters who used to hide in the city, only a couple of thousand remain at most. The majority have long ago fled to Mosul, in Iraq, or to Deir Ezzor, also in Syria.

France is currently bombing everything that looks like camps or barracks: small factories, communal buildings, hospitals. The majority of the Arab world has seen photos of dead children in Raqqa – Isis is doing everything it can to spread them. And for every murdered child, there will be new terrorists. War is a boomerang, and it will come to hit us back in the form of terrorism.

Of course, Hollande has to react. But no one is stopping him from reacting with a bit of brains. As a head of state he should know that urban guerrillas cannot be defeated with bombs. He should know that Isis fighters only march in tight orderly lines or drive in convoys in their propaganda videos. Off camera, they avoid hanging around in large groups and spend their time among the local population, preferably in apartment blocks that house families. That’s the very first chapter in the dummies’ guide to terrorism.

Look at Mosul: this is a city that is home to 1.5 million people, and at most 15,000 Isis terrorists. If you wanted to get rid of Isis in Mosul, you would have to flatten the entire city.

In October 2014 I was the first western journalist to spend time with Isis and return safely. During my stay, we were repeatedly targeted by American fighter jets and drones. It’s hard to overemphasise how quickly our Isis escorts managed each time to disappear among the local population. While driving through the territory of the “Islamic State” with three cars – one of which was usually a decoy for the drones – there was always a 10km distance between the vehicles. We frequently switched positions. The mantra of the Isis fighters was: never be a target.

A bombing strategy employed by France – which, potentially, will now be joined by Britain – will above all hit Syria’s population. This will fill Isis fighters with joy. Hollande could only make them happier if he were to send in ground troops as well: western boots on the ground in Syria is the ultimate Isis dream. Instead of mainly killing Muslims, they are desperate to live out their imaginary apocalyptic showdown between good and evil, in which they can at last fight against the US, the UK and France – on the ground.



They would have a good chance of winning battles there too. These fanatical fighters have excellent military training and love death. Western soldiers love life. The west cannot beat Isis with military means.

But there are ways to beat Isis. First, America has to stop Gulf states delivering weapons to the terrorists in Syria and Iraq.

Second, the west has to help Turkey seal its long border with the “Islamic State”, to stop the flow of new fighters joining Isis.

Third, Isis can only exist because it has managed to ally itself with the suppressed Sunni population of Iraq and Syria. They are the water that carries the Isis project. If the west managed to bring about a national reconciliation in Iraq and Syria, and integrate Sunnis (which in Iraq would have to include former Ba’athists) into political life, Isis would be finished, like a fish out of water.

Is it really so hard to see that the attempt to defeat terrorism with wars has failed? That we have to rethink the war on terror? That we have to finally start treating the Muslim world as true partners, and not as a cheap petrol station we can raid when we feel like it? Bombing civilians will recruit new terrorists. Again and again.


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So should we stop buying oil from Arab countries ninja ? Or are you saying we are bombing Syria to get at their oil nothing to do with Islamic state ? Is that your hypothesis ?


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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
So should we stop buying oil from Arab countries ninja ? Or are you saying we are bombing Syria to get at their oil nothing to do with Islamic state ? Is that your hypothesis ?


Don't make this about oil, make it about who started ISIS, who created it? Your government along with the States.

Make this about "Will bombing the cr@p outta them make the situation better or worse?"...make it about have we learnt anything from the past or are we repeating the same mistakes?

I know you want all out war and see that as the solution, but this simply because you are unwilling to see the FACTS and learn from past mistakes.

You are entitled to your opinion though, no matter how much I believe it is wrong or counterproductive.


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The guardian is the newspaper of choice for the left wing liberals in Britain what a load of bunkum that article is. In the Second World War the Jews and the civilians in occupied countries cheered for joy when the allied bombers came and without the technology of today there were far more civilian casualties. These people who purport to be humanist would sit back and allow the genocide and torture to carry on unabated. I agree there is a difficulty with Assad but that can be sorted once the area is under UN protectorate but for now we need to remove these barbarians.


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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
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Weren't the majority of "11/9 terrorists" supposedly Saudis?

I say supposedly, because we all know that SEPTEMBER ELEVENTH WAS AN INSIDE JOB !!!!


Saudi nationals also eygptian nationals also German and British the Islamic threat comes from everywhere it was not the Saudi government and you are being childish about September 11th that requires no response from anyone with any intelligence


What an ignorant comment.

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Germany will let in almost a million migrants in 2015 and a similar number forecast in 2016 mainly young men coming from Pakistan Afghanistan Iran Iraq Algeria Morocco Syria and Egypt the Muslim population of Germany is forecast to increase from 5 million to 20 million in 2020. There is recent controversy in Germany where a German businesswoman offered her flat to a Syrian family out of compassion the family turned up three men one veiled woman and a number of young children. The Syrian family walked out refusing the accommodation because the owner was a woman and the German women had looked at one of the men in the eye. The woman posted this on Facebook she was called a nazi bitch not by immigrants but by liberal Germans. So we have this strange situation where we are walking towards our own suicide as a culture aided and abetted by western liberals who mean well but are hopelessly naive. Germany is a strongly Christian country very similar to Ireland I really hope Angela merkel understands what she is doing. This is very worrying it's not just the conflicts in the Middle East we are seeing both a movement of people's and a change in ideologies


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GOSH!!! are you lot still at it? (mumbles to himself - "bunch of nutters")


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Stan, the fact that you just listed Facebook as a source just explains it all really.


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