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Originally Posted By: RedsforChampions
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Liberalism in the neo -liberalism sense has nothing to do with people it is in fact against the people..it is liberal in that it allows investors and capitalists to operate unchecked and unregulated which has lead to economic disaster. For the vast majority of people unchecked capitalism has been a disaster, the labour movements did manage to create a middle class in the west but that has been under attack since the nixon era when production was sent out east. Before that was probably capitalisms best era when the GOVTs had national social programs and strong labour movements to counter unchecked capitalist intent .. that situation was reversed under nixon and reagan thatcher types and the west has been in decline since, maybe a tech inspired spike around the clinton era being the only exception.

Socialism the way u see is the govt deciding for u and I can understand that if you grew up in the USSR but socialism to me is protecting the society from private tyranny.



I did not grow in the USSR but spend a few years there, so I can make the difference as I spent some time in UK too. You can choose to say that it was not socialism despite them calling it themselves, but then what do you call socialism, a written utopia? Give me examples of successful socilist governments.

elow, you will see some of the most socialistic nations in the world today:

China
Denmark
Finland
Netherlands
Canada
Sweden
Norway


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Originally Posted By: EMP
I don't have to be a citizen to have an opinion Stan and I think the majority of people in liverpool and on this chat board would have a entirely different view on her than you.


She is not popular in Liverpool no it's a socialist city but she sent hessltine that led to the regeneration Liverpool is booming today. But no she is not popular but Liverpool is only one part of Great Britain. You can't argue with my points which are clear to see even today the policies are essentially thatcher policies the Labour Party too for near 40 years until comrade Corbyn. Now either the British people all 65 million of them are an intrinsicslly stupid race or Maggie was doing something right. Can I ask you a question emp did you come to visit England in the 1970's ? Have you any idea how bad it was ? You talk about Liverpool the council in the late 70's were seriously considering burying it's dead at sea because the bodies were piling up because of strikes. Did you see our nation in the 70's or not then ??


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Just thought I would mention that Britain's and America's big pals, the Saudi Arabians had 50 executions planned for today. No need to go free their people though...carry on.


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I don't have to be a citizen to have an opinion Stan and I think the majority of people in liverpool and on this chat board would have a entirely different view on her than you.


She is not popular in Liverpool no it's a socialist city but she sent hessltine that led to the regeneration Liverpool is booming today. But no she is not popular but Liverpool is only one part of Great Britain. You can't argue with my points which are clear to see even today the policies are essentially thatcher policies the Labour Party too for near 40 years until comrade Corbyn. Now either the British people all 65 million of them are an intrinsicslly stupid race or Maggie was doing something right. Can I ask you a question emp did you come to visit England in the 1970's ? Have you any idea how bad it was ? You talk about Liverpool the council in the late 70's were seriously considering burying it's dead at sea because the bodies were piling up because of strikes. Did you see our nation in the 70's or not then ??


I was only born in the late seventies but I have read enough of History to know that yes the UK was in decline due to poor industrial relations and high inflation and was in need of reform. Maggies assault on the public and devotion to capitalistic free markets was not the way to go then or now - unemployment was chronic under her, she opened up a huge inequality gap that you are still suffering from today and her love of deregulated markets lead to the current crisis in the worlds economy today..it is true her reforms did bring you slowly back up the table in europe, partially due to other nations slowing down and ur north oil discovery but during her time ur GDP was more or less the same as when she took over..so the money in the country was the same cept it wasn't going to create a middle class it was going to rich folk..inequality gap massive.

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Originally Posted By: Ninja Skrtel
Just thought I would mention that Britain's and America's big pals, the Saudi Arabians had 50 executions planned for today. No need to go free their people though...carry on.


Like I said to emp it's an Islamic state sharia law primitive and brutal but it's their law a very good reason to hope our civilisation survives the clash of civilisations or one day it will be here too


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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
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Just thought I would mention that Britain's and America's big pals, the Saudi Arabians had 50 executions planned for today. No need to go free their people though...carry on.


Like I said to emp it's an Islamic state sharia law primitive and brutal but it's their law a very good reason to hope our civilisation survives the clash of civilisations or one day it will be here too


here's an idea..if this is a clash of civilizations - worst thing since the nazis, potential to wipe out the west - why not kill all the sunni's..its their mantra, its them that are strapping bombs to their chests and blowing up shia communities, its them that are teaching their kids to hate the west and anybody non sunni.. like if u had a chance to kill all the nazi's before ww2 -would u not do it.... why are u not advocating a total war against the sunni's the beheaders.

this is just a question bty not my belief , it just seems to be a logical conclusion to ur thoughts on sunni-jihad... seems a hell of a more safer way than just bomb some lunatics in syria..people who thrive on ur bombs and recruit form it...just wipe out all sunni's u should be trying to sell a full on invasion of saudi and the rounding up of sunni muslims in europe..if u are so worried about us getting wiped out..go full throttle stan

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I don't know what the answer is emp but I know we can't carry on like this assuming they blow Islamic state to kingdom come in Syria it will still carry on its war of civilisations. The Sunni shai battle you talk of has been going on interrupted since the 7th century and the argument I understand was who is the rightfull successor to the prophet don't ask me to explain that because I can't but frankly I could not care less and why can't they just agree to disagree anyway ? All I care about is my country and my way of life which I see disappearing fast and I am fearfull for the future economically the 70,s were bad but I prefer those days to what is happening now society wise I preferred the football too


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It is a scary time, ireland is now on ISIS hit list(which i always expected but never wanted to post about shannon airport and all that in case they forgot about us) and there are actually garda with machine guns now..never seen that before, good chance we could get hit cause we have no security budget at all...still doesn't change my beliefs but it is not nice to think some dude could just blow himself up in the middle of xmas shopping or something

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it ain't sensible but I could understand that argument and fear much more than I can this lets bomb syria but keep supporting the saudi's as friends..just seems like a circular solution. Endless war. Which is what I believe the west has constructed anyway.. its an anti-shia pro sunni pro israel construct. And its not a unfounded conspiracy theory, it is a conspiracy in writing - thats what they wanted to do and have done so.

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Originally Posted By: sixtiesred
just out of interest its been said on here that swedes will be a minority in their own country in a few years why is that ?
what happened there ? I really don't know ?


Sixty, I suggest you look around the internet at Sweden's destruction since 1975 when some treasonous politicians decided it was a good idea to change one of the most developed, peaceful and civilised countries on the planet into a multicultural Middle Eastern toilet bowl. We'll take and save everyone just like the UK motto today.

I won't need to point out that this goes back way before the 1st Iraq war and they have had no engagement in the Neo-Conservative campaigns but will anyway.

Today, their expenditure on the immigration has quadrupled, 1 in 4 of their women will now be raped and every crime category has exploded. After decades of this failed policy approx. 60% of immigrants still don't work and the once sound national current account is a train wreck. This is not France either where immigrants are by and large not welcomed and funnelled into the slums. They have been given opportunities that most of our young (from non-affluent backgrounds) in the United Kingdom could only dream about for pathways into work.

Even a short look at Europe history is always at the end of much talking, economic sanctions, trade sanctions, border protection -- those living in what is today Rainbowland solve their issues one way -- as a last result -- a massive body count.

This has happened over and over and over again in history. Anyone who thinks this ends with everyone holding hands and singing Kumbaya at one another refuses to acknowledge history and the human affinity to repeat it.

This situation has to get under control like yesterday, as the farther we go down this "importing more and more 3rd worlders directly into a first world society is a good thing" brings that "point of no return" ever closer.

When the Left suppresses the open discussion of both the good and the bad (with everyone today now being termed a racist by them on any subject)-- the quicker said event horizon approaches. And to be clear I’m no Tory!


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