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Liberalism in the neo -liberalism sense has nothing to do with people it is in fact against the people..it is liberal in that it allows investors and capitalists to operate unchecked and unregulated which has lead to economic disaster. For the vast majority of people unchecked capitalism has been a disaster, the labour movements did manage to create a middle class in the west but that has been under attack since the nixon era when production was sent out east. Before that was probably capitalisms best era when the GOVTs had national social programs and strong labour movements to counter unchecked capitalist intent .. that situation was reversed under nixon and reagan thatcher types and the west has been in decline since, maybe a tech inspired spike around the clinton era being the only exception.

Socialism the way u see is the govt deciding for u and I can understand that if you grew up in the USSR but socialism to me is protecting the society from private tyranny.

I did not grow in the USSR but spend a few years there, so I can make the difference as I spent some time in UK too. You can choose to say that it was not socialism despite them calling it themselves, but then what do you call socialism, a written utopia? Give me examples of successful socilist governments.

And emp as for your idea of the west having a legal discussion with the Taliban after 9/11 that would be interesting as Islam has an entirely different legal system under the Koran you are allowed to defend yourself the interpretation of which is wide and subjective. So the Taliban would claim 9/11 was a legitimate act against an imterialist aggressor. Perhaps they could have called you as a witness ?

Saudi Arabia to behead 50 "terrorists" ..and by terrorists they mean protesters.

They are not a nice country but I am guessing this is your justification for leaving Islamic state in situ also were the west not to have any dealings with Saudi two things would happen one 1970's style inflation and a nose dive of our economies and two Saudi would likely become an unstable state sending potential for terrosism and possibly a wider war sky rocketing. We have to live in the world as it is unfortunetly

There are not many, socialism whenever it pops its heads up gets attacked by the rest of the world. French Revolution was attacked by the world, Russian Revolution was attacked by the world.Vietnam was obliterated.The Spanish Republic was the most promising,but again everyone attacked and killed them,preferring a hitler ally instead.The Chinese and USSR versions as I said were more based on a tyrannical control system which I would not class as socialism at all-in fact anti-socialism. For successful socialism one could look at FDR's reforms in the USA, which in comparison to todays political system over there is about as far left as the USA ever was. UK used to have a pretty tight labour movement (something hopefully JC brings back ) and its is no coincidence that the model economy now is Germany that kept its strong labour unions whilst the UK's motor and energy industuries pale in comparison due to the right wing assault on labour.

In todays world Latin America is a much happier place now (with socialist reforms) than it ever was with American picked dictators murdering them and subjecting them to market forces. Cuba tho under one of the longest and most intense terrorist attacks from the biggest superpower ever has done well to survive and they have a truly wonderful medical programme that helps poor people all over the world.
Its a struggle but one we have to keep fighting for..I think capitalism is pure ugly myself, a complete evil that subverts democracy into nothing more than a facade, and brings death and destruction to the world.