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Originally Posted By: RedJohn
'Yet we have a black president democrat without doubt the most left wing and non interventionist American president in history'

Classic.

I suppose also there's thousands of 'sleeper cell' terroists hiding in the UK, just waiting to strike! Lock your doors!!


Have you been living in a cave without contact to the outside world for the past 20 years ?


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How many attacks have we have from these sleeper cells in the past 12 years?

Oh wait sorry, they've all been foiled by our heroic security services.

We should probably consider giving up our liberties for freedom now.

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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
If you listen to emp it's all to do with neo conservative American racist rant rant rant

Yet we have a black president democrat without doubt the most left wing and non interventionist American president in history so he is hardly racist and hardly a warmonger yet under his watch Islamic terrorism has soared even though he pulled OUT of both Iraq and Afghanistan leaving only token forces in the latter.
your argument only strengthens my point, the current situation is a result of the previous regime not this one. Those who started it, ie.Bush jnr. were not exactly peace loving individuals, they were more Cowboys than anything else. Something you want more of yet something that has brought us to the situation we are in now.


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Originally Posted By: RedJohn
How many attacks have we have from these sleeper cells in the past 12 years?

Oh wait sorry, they've all been foiled by our heroic security services.

We should probably consider giving up our liberties for freedom now.


I think it's a shorter timescale than 12 years but the figure was announced last week over 600 plots have been stopped 7 significant last 12 months one gas attack that could have killed hundreds if not thousands and one person arrested every day in connection with terror that's in Britain alone as we saw in the London bombings we don't always succeed


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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
If you listen to emp it's all to do with neo conservative American racist rant rant rant

Yet we have a black president democrat without doubt the most left wing and non interventionist American president in history so he is hardly racist and hardly a warmonger yet under his watch Islamic terrorism has soared even though he pulled OUT of both Iraq and Afghanistan leaving only token forces in the latter.
your argument only strengthens my point, the current situation is a result of the previous regime not this one. Those who started it, ie.Bush jnr. were not exactly peace loving individuals, they were more Cowboys than anything else. Something you want more of yet something that has brought us to the situation we are in now.


You could argue that either way but the foreign policy argument has been dismissed as posted recently the majority of attacks are not against America or even the west but fellow Muslims who happen to be the wrong demonimation or Christians in the Middle East


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And in the mean time more and more innocent civilians are killed,but of course that just gets glossed over.


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Stan is not great with the old lateral thinking. If the jihadis also target other muslims then it can't be to do with us,is his brilliant logic..stan thinks we are all as simple minded as him. This despite Top level US national security guys and drone operators telling us we created ISIS and also fuel it.

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Originally Posted By: lumba
And in the mean time more and more innocent civilians are killed,but of course that just gets glossed over.


Doing nothing unfortunetly won't stop or mitigate that. My solution is an international coalition (including Russia) arab ground forces to remove Islamic state reluctantly leave Assad in power (perhaps temporary) once that step is taken a UN backed political stability plan then finally try to address the Islamic problems in western societies not just terrorism but the lack of integration.


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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Can't say I have read mein kampf emp so I will bow to your superior knowledge on that but it says much about you if that's your bedtime reading. As you have admitted hitler nvaded Russia out of necessity for its oil he may have wanted to invade also for territorial reasons but the oil made it essential given the loss of the Middle East. Saying he was not bothered about the Middle East was just silly no one intiates a huge miliary campaign if they are not bothered that's childish. The fact is there were large tank battles in the Middle East at the early stages of the war and the only reason was oil (there was nothing else there) hitler lost that's history


Again you are completely factually wrong. Do some reading on the subject

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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Can't say I have read mein kampf emp so I will bow to your superior knowledge on that but it says much about you if that's your bedtime reading. As you have admitted hitler nvaded Russia out of necessity for its oil he may have wanted to invade also for territorial reasons but the oil made it essential given the loss of the Middle East. Saying he was not bothered about the Middle East was just silly no one intiates a huge miliary campaign if they are not bothered that's childish. The fact is there were large tank battles in the Middle East at the early stages of the war and the only reason was oil (there was nothing else there) hitler lost that's history


Again you are completely factually wrong. Do some reading on the subject


I am pretty sure he was in the Middle East for the oil maybe he was there for the sand and rocks ?


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