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Typical right wingers don't know their history...he was one of the great imperialist of any age. Countless military disasters (gallipoli),he set up the Black&Tans that caused havoc in my own country,attacked the russians as soon as the reds came to power, and he wanted to use chemical weapons on civilian villages in India and in Russia ..just some of this lovely fella's crimes No I know his history. It seems more like your typical lefty whinging about anyone who doesn't fit into your lefty socialist ideals. Lets just say that if it wasn't for him and what he did, the world would be a very different and very bad place right now and it wouldn't be the lefty la la land you would want.
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The fact that TURKEY is a member of Nato and makes it a Nato thing. Secondly the fact that they are bombing the anti Assad rebels is because the anti Assad rebels are helping in the finance of ISIS. The fact that Isis was directly being funded from these oil storage facilities and transport routes and the fact that high level Turkish officials were directly profiting from the oil trade from and to those facilities raises a lot of questions. As a member of Nato, turkeys actions mean that were Russia ti attack turkey in retaliation, Nato member states would be drawn into the war as an obligation to defend other members of Nato.
Once again, why has Isis not been wiped out yet when we all know the US, Britain and Nato have more than enough intel and resources to completely disable them within a fortnight? Why, when actual important targets started being destroyed by Russia has a Nato member shot down a Russian plane?
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Typical right wingers don't know their history...he was one of the great imperialist of any age. Countless military disasters (gallipoli),he set up the Black&Tans that caused havoc in my own country,attacked the russians as soon as the reds came to power, and he wanted to use chemical weapons on civilian villages in India and in Russia ..just some of this lovely fella's crimes No I know his history. It seems more like your typical lefty whinging about anyone who doesn't fit into your lefty socialist ideals. Lets just say that if it wasn't for him and what he did, the world would be a very different and very bad place right now and it wouldn't be the lefty la la land you would want. quite possibly, and I don't know enough about him to comment, but let's all keep in mind that it is the victors who write the history books.
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Typical right wingers don't know their history...he was one of the great imperialist of any age. Countless military disasters (gallipoli),he set up the Black&Tans that caused havoc in my own country,attacked the russians as soon as the reds came to power, and he wanted to use chemical weapons on civilian villages in India and in Russia ..just some of this lovely fella's crimes No I know his history. It seems more like your typical lefty whinging about anyone who doesn't fit into your lefty socialist ideals. Lets just say that if it wasn't for him and what he did, the world would be a very different and very bad place right now and it wouldn't be the lefty la la land you would want. Seriously though, Churchill maybe a great British hero but he was a racist of the worst kind. LINK
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Typical right wingers don't know their history...he was one of the great imperialist of any age. Countless military disasters (gallipoli),he set up the Black&Tans that caused havoc in my own country,attacked the russians as soon as the reds came to power, and he wanted to use chemical weapons on civilian villages in India and in Russia ..just some of this lovely fella's crimes No I know his history. It seems more like your typical lefty whinging about anyone who doesn't fit into your lefty socialist ideals. Lets just say that if it wasn't for him and what he did, the world would be a very different and very bad place right now and it wouldn't be the lefty la la land you would want. You obviously don't know his history as how could anyone say a lunatic that wants to use chemical weapons on civilians is not a warmonger. He was all about the empire and killing people - thought of himself as some kinda military genius even tho his plans invariably lead thousands to slaughter.. he was strongly advised(by his generals) that his crappy gallopolli campaign had failed and to abort yet he kept it going out of ego and ran thousands of aussie and other ally troops into turk machine guns.
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Typical right wingers don't know their history...he was one of the great imperialist of any age. Countless military disasters (gallipoli),he set up the Black&Tans that caused havoc in my own country,attacked the russians as soon as the reds came to power, and he wanted to use chemical weapons on civilian villages in India and in Russia ..just some of this lovely fella's crimes No I know his history. It seems more like your typical lefty whinging about anyone who doesn't fit into your lefty socialist ideals. Lets just say that if it wasn't for him and what he did, the world would be a very different and very bad place right now and it wouldn't be the lefty la la land you would want. Seriously though, Churchill maybe a great British hero but he was a racist of the worst kind. LINK Them Stans kinda hero's
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I say president Erdogan has come out with a statement that they did not know the plane was Russian. Right.
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So, Turkey, a member of Nato shot down a Russian fighter even though they were 4 miles in Syrian airspace. An agreement is in place between the US and Russia and other countries about attacks on Isis yet Turkey decides to shoot down a Russian plane on a mission.
So explain this, Turkey, a member of Nato, shoots down a plane carrying out attacks on Isis. Explain it.
Furthermore, evidence emerges they were targeting and destroying oil transport routes and storage facilities which Isis uses and from which they obtain funds. Soon after evidence emerges that Turkey, again "a member of Nato" was buying oil from these storage facilities and using these transport routes, thereby Directly financing ISIS. On top of that, claims that the son of the president of Turkey, owns hundreds of oil trucks which were used in the transport of oil from these storage facilities...and then you tell us nato is not at fault for the rise of ISIS and they are doing this intervention in Syria due to humanitarian reasons and so on.
Explain it please. What is the excuse for attacking the enemy of your enemy? I can't explain it, reckless and dangerous Turkey also has been involved in buying oil from IS it also would not use its tanks a year ago when civilians were murdered in sight if them a few hundred yards into Syria. Turkey is an Islamic country although I have been many times and love the people the government is shady and no way should they be allowed in the EU. But pushing Turkey away because they are less then perfect is not the answer either.
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So, in summary, Russia attempts to destroy the supply lines and funding of ISIS, an attempt at really hindering Isis, and has its plane shot down, in Syrian air space, by a member of Nato. What does that tell us? Perhaps exterminating Isis is actually not what the west wants. Perhaps it suits them having a constant threat around and an excuse to engage in war where and when it suits them?
Do you really believe that if they really wanted to, the US and Britain and Nato could not destroy ISIS altogether within a week? Come on..... Of course they could but ground troops would be needed plus what comes after is the difficult bit.
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I say president Erdogan has come out with a statement that they did not know the plane was Russian. Right. Sounds more and more like an individual trigger happy pilot who is probably in hot water now
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