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Can't believe this thread is still going....
Some of the drivel about being the free world and good vs evil is getting embarassing. It's like SP's a gov't PR agent. Probably reads the Sun a little too much...
I'd laugh but even a bit of research tells you how many millions upon millions the 'good guys' of the west have slaughtered. They barely try and hide it anymore. Comments like on here show why it's so easy. Even Hitler used fear and terror to get the people onside. I'd bet they said the same kind of crap.
ISIS - a rag tag group taking over the world... They only formed because the US put them all together in Iraq. Now we get these nicely spaced out terroist attacks and 20 countries following it up by bombing the sh*t out of a country. Great, jutice for France!
Just where do these countries get all these fancy weapons? Like Bill Hicks said 'last week Kuwaiti's had nothing but rocks'. It is kinda embarrassing that these kinda debates go on, but inane uneducated warmongers must have their scare tactics exposed or the world just keeps getting worse. It was fear and lack of political involvement that allowed the elitists to come to power in the west and to invade Iraq and cause all this mess. Stan though marginalized and possessing an old school capitalist imperialist militarist mentality can still scare enough people by shouting stupid racist theories even in the face of overwhelming evidence and whistleblowing testimony. You call Islamic state scum but you would leave them free to carry on their activities unhindered and you do everything in your power to harm their enemies. You are a hard left revolutionary anarchist who supported the rioters in the UK as I recall these were people burning the shops of hard working business people the type of people you hate. Your revolution will never happen not ever because only you and a few kranks believe in such things. instead you indulge your fantasy by harming the thing that protects you. As I have said before you don't the west please clear off The revolution maybe already happening stan , a democratic one ..the people are sick of ur types and can see right through you. And I love the west, I love the solidarty campaigners, the environment campaigners, the civil rights campaigners, the anti-war campaigners ,basically the people that make the west great...u support the enemies of these values, ur hero;s are churchill and thatcher-,war mongering ,imperialistic lunatics. You stand for nothing the west should stand for, u are anti western civilization.The one person that went on an RIP Mandela thread and sought to slander him with daily mail bullcrap, yet starts an RIP Thatcher thread and eulogizes her...says all about you, wish you and your lot would leave western civilization to the brave people who created it and try to defend it. How exactly is Churchill a war monger?
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Typical right wingers don't know their history...he was one of the great imperialist of any age. Countless military disasters (gallipoli),he set up the Black&Tans that caused havoc in my own country,attacked the russians as soon as the reds came to power, and he wanted to use chemical weapons on civilian villages in India and in Russia ..just some of this lovely fella's crimes
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Typical right wingers don't know their history...he was one of the great imperialist of any age. Countless military disasters (gallipoli),he set up the Black&Tans that caused havoc in my own country,attacked the russians as soon as the reds came to power, and he wanted to use chemical weapons on civilian villages in India and in Russia ..just some of this lovely fella's crimes So if Churchill had never been around the world would have been a better place in your book emp ? You are entertaining I will give you that. Perhaps it would have been better in 1939 with Jeremy Corbyn in charge ?
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The fact he hated the Nazi's does not excuse him his own warmongering imperialist actions. Might do in your world but it is an international warcrime to use chemical weapons, much more so if you want to use them on civilians .
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Because those who bomb and kill innocents are scumbags, not all British are like that, 99.99% are not, but unfortunately I feel the powers that be are. I said the same about American powers and I was born there. You know very well what I meant, I wasn't referring to you or any common folk, but those who use war for personal gain.
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The fact he hated the Nazi's does not excuse him his own warmongering imperialist actions. Might do in your world but it is an international warcrime to use chemical weapons, much more so if you want to use them on civilians . Pity he is not around today we need his equivalent to fight the equally big threat we have today Cameron and Obama are weak and indecisive he was the very opposite. This is what you do emp cherry pick I bet in 1939 you would be saying it's all our fault leaving hitler free reign pretty much what he wanted want to do, in 2015 you call Islamic state scum but you would allow them to carry on and expand the truth is you see these as opportunities for your revolution whereas if we had a socialist utopia lead by Jeremy Corbyn it would not last 2 seconds under either the nazis or Islamic state
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So, Turkey, a member of Nato shot down a Russian fighter even though they were 4 miles in Syrian airspace. An agreement is in place between the US and Russia and other countries about attacks on Isis yet Turkey decides to shoot down a Russian plane on a mission.
So explain this, Turkey, a member of Nato, shoots down a plane carrying out attacks on Isis. Explain it.
Furthermore, evidence emerges they were targeting and destroying oil transport routes and storage facilities which Isis uses and from which they obtain funds. Soon after evidence emerges that Turkey, again "a member of Nato" was buying oil from these storage facilities and using these transport routes, thereby Directly financing ISIS. On top of that, claims that the son of the president of Turkey, owns hundreds of oil trucks which were used in the transport of oil from these storage facilities...and then you tell us nato is not at fault for the rise of ISIS and they are doing this intervention in Syria due to humanitarian reasons and so on.
Explain it please. What is the excuse for attacking the enemy of your enemy?
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So, in summary, Russia attempts to destroy the supply lines and funding of ISIS, an attempt at really hindering Isis, and has its plane shot down, in Syrian air space, by a member of Nato. What does that tell us? Perhaps exterminating Isis is actually not what the west wants. Perhaps it suits them having a constant threat around and an excuse to engage in war where and when it suits them?
Do you really believe that if they really wanted to, the US and Britain and Nato could not destroy ISIS altogether within a week? Come on.....
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So, in summary, Russia attempts to destroy the supply lines and funding of ISIS, an attempt at really hindering Isis, and has its plane shot down, in Syrian air space, by a member of Nato. What does that tell us? Perhaps exterminating Isis is actually not what the west wants. Perhaps it suits them having a constant threat around and an excuse to engage in war where and when it suits them?
Do you really believe that if they really wanted to, the US and Britain and Nato could not destroy ISIS altogether within a week? Come on..... All this is definitely a mess and finding the right equilibrium is not easy. From what I read, for what it's worth, the Russians were bombing not ISIS but the rebels fighting Assad and who are also ethnic Turks in Syria.
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So, Turkey, a member of Nato shot down a Russian fighter even though they were 4 miles in Syrian airspace. An agreement is in place between the US and Russia and other countries about attacks on Isis yet Turkey decides to shoot down a Russian plane on a mission.
So explain this, Turkey, a member of Nato, shoots down a plane carrying out attacks on Isis. Explain it.
Furthermore, evidence emerges they were targeting and destroying oil transport routes and storage facilities which Isis uses and from which they obtain funds. Soon after evidence emerges that Turkey, again "a member of Nato" was buying oil from these storage facilities and using these transport routes, thereby Directly financing ISIS. On top of that, claims that the son of the president of Turkey, owns hundreds of oil trucks which were used in the transport of oil from these storage facilities...and then you tell us nato is not at fault for the rise of ISIS and they are doing this intervention in Syria due to humanitarian reasons and so on.
Explain it please. What is the excuse for attacking the enemy of your enemy? Well most of the reports coming from Syrian people is that the Russians are not bombing ISIS but the rebels fighting Assad. And the Russians are hardly whiter than white in the world. Ask the Ukraine. This seem's to me to be more of a problem between Russia and Turkey and nothing to do with them being from NATO. There were reports that Russian planes were over Turkey a few weeks back and were 'taunting' their fighter planes too. Why would they do that? Why would the Russians keep sending their bombers over our air space?
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