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Basically, Islam, just like any other religion serves a purpose of providing people with hope. When all else around you is destroyed, when your infrastructure is non existent, when communities are destroyed, when people cannot earn a living, that's when religion pops it's ugly head.
The US and Britain love to go around starting wars wherever there is a wealth of natural resources. They started it, they destroyed the existing infrastructure and communities and created the perfect home for the rise of religious extremism. Having done so, they now want to utiliye the same methodology to destroy it. Having not learned from their previous mistakes, they will simply give rise to an even more horrific organization.
Stop ISIS, by all means, but do so in a measured, adequate way, not by wiping Syria off the face of the planet. The extremists are those who use religion to commit crimes and today more people use Islam to do this, in various part of the world. Christians used to do the same centuries and decades ago for example during inquisition. Now some can say it is because of the West, but there is violence in the name of Islam where the West is not involved.
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Exactly vish the voice of reason if Muslim voilence was due to the west they would be solely attacking the west. Yet the vast majority of Muslim violence is against fellow Muslims for not being sufficiently devout or being the wrong branch of the religion also there is mass persecution of Christians in these countries this is nothing to do with western foreign policy it's religious sectarianism
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Western policy is to support these extremists. We attack the shia and support the nutbags like saudi and Israel who are also run by religious extremists
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Hook line and sinker.U bought into it or you are selling it? How many Islamic Fundamentalist attacks in UK before Iraq invasion?
The way out of this "endless war" is not to keep droning and keep killing ..the way out of this is to support justice and freedom and stop killing people in their thousands.
Bernie and Jeremy - real people get out there and vote..I promise this constructed Islamic endless war bullcrap will end if we have actually people in office not elitist puppets. I don't know any thing of this Bernie fella but Corbyn would be a fukking joke! As stan says, he can't even control his own party so why would he be a great leader for this country? The bloke is a fukking moron and won't even make the general election let alone win it. That's not to say I'm anti Labour before you start calling me an elitist lover. I couldn't care less what party is running the country as long as the right man is in charge and that certainly wouldn't be Jezza! The Labour party didn't and don't want him as their leader..great news as New Labour is a right wing joke...the people voted him in and he has the Unions behind him and a quiet a number of break away left parties are considering coming back into the fold..I so hope he gets elected, that westminister place is nothing but a child molesting right wing war mongering cesspit.
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Hook line and sinker.U bought into it or you are selling it? How many Islamic Fundamentalist attacks in UK before Iraq invasion?
The way out of this "endless war" is not to keep droning and keep killing ..the way out of this is to support justice and freedom and stop killing people in their thousands.
Bernie and Jeremy - real people get out there and vote..I promise this constructed Islamic endless war bullcrap will end if we have actually people in office not elitist puppets. I don't know any thing of this Bernie fella but Corbyn would be a fukking joke! As stan says, he can't even control his own party so why would he be a great leader for this country? The bloke is a fukking moron and won't even make the general election let alone win it. That's not to say I'm anti Labour before you start calling me an elitist lover. I couldn't care less what party is running the country as long as the right man is in charge and that certainly wouldn't be Jezza! The Labour party didn't and don't want him as their leader..great news as New Labour is a right wing joke...the people voted him in and he has the Unions behind him and a quiet a number of break away left parties are considering coming back into the fold..I so hope he gets elected, that westminister place is nothing but a child molesting right wing war mongering cesspit. It would be a disaster if he did and it's easy for you to say you hope he gets in as it doesn't affect you. Some of the bollox he has come out with, re-nationalising things, no shoot to kill policy etc. are just stupid. That's not to say he won't have some good ideas and for me there should be a balance of his type of politics and that of the right. But like I said, I'm pretty sure he'll not make it to the election as there isn't many who live in his ideological la la land for him to survive.
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reclaim Australia rally gets agro expect this sort of rally happening a lot more the world over as the penny begins to drop Reclaim Australia ? Are they an Aboriginal protest group then Sixties ? :whistle I want to hear more about these people the Aborigines originally stole the land from - Atlanteans??? Sumarians??? Kangaroos???  So if nobody knows who was there before the Aborigines,then wtf are on about Sixties?
That job interview was going so well until I realized I was fukked up on acid in the middle of a cornfield naked and talking to a scarecrow.
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Flash I love you but we've only got fourteen hours to save the earth! If Islamic extremisim continues and if the Islamic populations continue to grow in Western Europe at the pace they are then in forty years or so then there could be a very serious implications for much of Europe as it is today that's your kids and grandkids who will live through it or not. Scaremongering ? Why wait till now Stan to proclaim Armageddon ? so I take it lumbs your all ok with whats happening re isis and muslims ? only given your making light of it all the time or any talk of doing something about it! I'm glad back in ww2 there less like you and more that believed action was needed no offence but that's the vibe I get from you don't worry be happy sort of stuff perhaps I'm wrong ? When the need to fight the poll tax came,i fought,when the need to fight for my right to party came ..i fought hard..Wanna wrestle?
That job interview was going so well until I realized I was fukked up on acid in the middle of a cornfield naked and talking to a scarecrow.
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FRENCH prophet Nostradamus predicted ISIS's bid to dominate parts of Europe in moves which will spark a Third World War, researchers are sensationally claiming.
Nostradamus is believed by some to have accurately predicted the rise of Napolean and Hitler as the world's first two appearances of three anti-christs.
So when the 16th century prophet predicted a "third and Final" anti-Christ, more hideous than the first two combined, coming to power on Earth before a 27-year Third World War", was he referring to ISIS?
Many researchers of the infamous French prophet, who died in 1566, are convinced he has correctly foretold the current barbaric acts being committed by ISIS in the Middle East including its recently declared bid to capture areas of Europe to fulfil its Caliphate.
One website - Nostradamus 2242 - even claims WWIII will begin this year as a result of the struggle with ISIS and the world could end in 2242 - 27 years from now.
The website lists the four-verse quatrain from which it is claimed it warns of the unfolding events in Iraq and Syria.
It said Nostradamus had been translated as saying: "He will enter wicked, unpleasant, infamous, tyrannizing over Mesopotamia.
"All friends made by the adulterous lady, land dreadful and black ofaspect."
The website says: "An amazing quatrain about Iraq's ordeal and tyranny in the ongoing sectarian violence, particularly on the aftermath of the 2003 US invasion, the surging of Al-qaeda leading to the organisation of ISIS.
"ISIS' target is Mesopotamia, present day Iraq. ISIS is also the most wealthy terrorist organization in the world, thanks to its numerous contributors.
"ISIS flag and uniform, black! their combat method infamous and Islamic Sharia law - tyrannical."
Some psychics have claimed more Nostradamus and psychic researchers were beginning to believe this quatrain does, indeed, relate to ISIS.
It said on its website: "There has been much interest in whether Nostradamus had anything to say about ISIS. There are many people speculating about whether ISIS would start the next world war, and whether its leader is the Antichrist that Nostradamus warned against."
But the problem is many earlier interpretations of other Nostradamus quatrains said WWIII would begin around 1999.
From this, and with so many tyrants to choose from in the Middle East, Nostradamus researchers had already identified the likes of Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden as being the third and final anti-Christ.
Spiritualists on Psychiclessons.com wrote: "While this hasn’t been the first time that people have speculated about a person being the dreaded Antichrist, there certainly seems to be a lot more interest in today’s current events among Nostradamus scholars. Time will tell whether the French seer was right about this one."
This problem with dates has led some Nostradamus researchers to conclude we are already in a WWIII, which some how started in 1999, and should therefore come to an horrific conclusion, "probably involving nuclear weapons", in 2026.
Nostradamus is also claimed by some to have correctly predicted the Twin Towers attacks of 9/11 with the line: "The year 1999 seven months, from the sky will come the great King of Terror", prompting Bin Laden's brief holder of the third Antichrist title, despite it being around two years out.
Reports suggest ISIS has managed to obtain 40kg of uranium from the University of al-Mosul when it occupied the Iraq city, and have declared wanting to take over Spain, Greece and most of the Balkans.
There is reportedly mention of Russia (Ukraine War) in the Nostradamus verses and some have linked ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi as suspect number one for being Antichrist 3.
One online commentator pointed out how ISIS were so much more tyrannical than others before them because of the barbaric executions and beheadings that led even fanatical Al-qaeda to distance itself from the fellow terrorists.
Nostradamus’ quatrains are clearer as we draw close to the events and details cloaked in their codes and riddles.
Author John Hogue, described on his website as "a world authority on Nostradamus and the prophetic traditions of the world" believes Nostradamus did predict ISIS. He says Nostradamus predicted the US interventions in Iraq.
He said: "Let’s fast “foreword” back to that future foreseen four-and-a half centuries ago, when Nostradamus predicted a modern “crusader” army would occupy Mesopotamia (Iraq) and then foretold the outcome.
"Century 3, Quatrain 61 of Les Propheties (The Prophecies) reads: "The great host and sect of cross bearers [crusaders], Will be massed in Mesopotamia [Iraq].
"Of the nearby river [the Euphrates] the fast company, that such a law will hold for the enemy."
He claimed to have always known it was a mistake to label dictator Hussain as the third Antichrist.
He added: "Nostradamus’ quatrains are clearer as we draw close to the events and details cloaked in their codes and riddles.
"Nostradamians during the Saddam Hussein era made a mistake I often exposed.
"They incorrectly defined who line one’s “He” was as being Saddam Hussein."
Even YouTube is now awash with armchair Nostradamus analysers theorising on his Isis prediction.
But sceptics of Nostradamus point out that at least 50 per cent of his premonitions were so way off that even the die hard researchers leave them alone.
They also argue with so much conflict in the Middle East it is easy to link any one of them to the verses and when looked at together then don't add up with todays ISIS events or earlier ones.
According to some Nostradamus researchers, he explained a "King of Terror", wearing a blue turban, would rise to power from Greater Arabia during the late 1990s, wage war around the world.
They interpret him saying the "King of Terror" would form an alliance with Russia to wage war on the US and Europe, starting with a nuclear strike on New York City.
Others say he predicts that the "King of Terror" will be defeated after 27 years, with a 1,000 years of peace before the world ends.
One researcher is not convined, he said: "I was doing a little research into Nostradamus, when, lo and behold, he predicted both the US war in Iraq as well as ISIS.
"By using the same techniques as those who find miracles in the Quran or Bible, "researchers" have done the exact same thing with Nostradamus.
"To be clear, I don't believe such nonsense, since all Nostradamus did was write a whole bunch of cryptic things and then let the reader use their imagination to interpret verses to suit their own beliefs.
"The verses can only be understood once the event has already happened, as hindsight."
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Seriously don't know what you said there, like I can guess it is why these countries are not destroying ISIS??? Why would they want to endanger themselves and become directly involved if they don't need to.
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Seriously don't know what you said there, like I can guess it is why these countries are not destroying ISIS??? Why would they want to endanger themselves and become directly involved if they don't need to. Some one has to like World War One and two I guess it's us once again being the free world and there is a good reason it's free and it's not by blaming everything on ourselves or hiding away that's for sure,
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