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Yeah cause the US and the UK have such a great record of bringing peace and happiness to that region.

I don't think Irans record is that fantastic either especially with regard to Iraq where they fought several wars in living memory where millions died no doubt that's our fault as well. What matters is what we do now and doing nothing to stop the bloodshed and blaming the west while living in the west under its protection is not the answer. There is now an almost overwhelming consensus to take action even among the British Labour Party who look to be ignoring their barking mad leader. Yes the action will be fraught with risk yes it might end badly but sometimes you have to do what's right. I am pretty sure you understand this but you are so mired in far left student union socialist dogma you are trapped in a mire of BS.

Of course the Iran/Iraq war is our fault - how could it not be? The US/UK removed the sectarian democratic govt of Iran and supported Saddam when Iran got rid of the tyrant we installed over them.

But then that is just consistent with all our actions in the middle east and beyond... we rarely ever do what is right, we do stuff for money. So to think we are going to do something right now in Syria is a big stretch of the imagination. If we want to do something right we can start by the easy stuff, agree to the international consensus and UN resolutions in regards to Palestian ...that would bring a joy akin to when Mandela and South Africa was freed. This endless war and blatant racism are only going to be fueled by our actions and that is what our govts an military industries want and they have more or less admit this is - if you have ever done any research ever you can find out

The leader of the Labour party is one of the few politicians to say no to the iraq war - the reason why we are in this mess. And he is barking Mad?

Intelligent, caring people don't get accepted in ur barking mad world stan cause ur all for "full scale civil wars, muslims are going to out copulate us" scare tactics. Rational people get accused of supporting ISIS if they explain the obvious reasons ISIS have come to power. You going to tell ex CIA station chiefs and Drone operator whistleblowers that blame us for fueling ISIS that they are supporting ISIS?

Well the labour MP,s and judging from polls the british people dont think much of corbyn either. As for your analysis of Iran / Iraq cherry picking the bits that suit your argument and ignoring the rest. Yes the middle east is very complex yes with the benefit of knowing what went on 40 years later the west made mistakes but we will never know the outcome had the west not acted it might have been worse far far worse. You dont know you are not god you do the best you can at the time knowing what you know and military action should be a last resort but sometimes you have to act and Syria is one of those times.

There is no cherry picking about it, that is exactly what happened and worse..we armed saddam and said nothing when he started using chemical attacks and there is some evidence that not only did we allow him use chemical attacks but that we also made it for him. Where is the cherry picking? The west removed a democratic secular govt , replaced it with a tyrant and when that tyrant was removed we got mad Saddam to attack and invade them and armed him and allowed him to use chemical weapons and supported him with intelligence and blockades and we also blew up an iranian passenger jet with 300 innocents on board. Those are facts

Yes they are facts but selected facts and twisted to boot. We did arm saddam at one point but no mention of the Iranian terrorism the American hostages in Iran as for the chemical weapons that faced UN sanctions and sanctions by the west. As for the airliner that was an accident not deliberate government action although you will say it was of course. what you fail to understand is doing nothing has outcomes as well as doing something would we be safer today had over the last 70 years we had stood off the Middle East I don't think we would personally I think there would have been a Third World War particularly in the Cold War don't forget Russia is involved in the Middle East also.

omg what crap..by iranian terrorism I imagine u are referring to the american army base attack in beruit, 3yrs into an american sponsored invasion of their country I imagine that was seen as a military target but u call it that terrorism? are you for real.. The Iranian revolution and hostage situation was to remove a foreign Govt and its tyrant from their country - u call that terrorism too do you.. so if the uk had its democracy pulled down and had a foreign power running their country taking all your resources away you would be happy enough with that...if your fellow citizens removed that foreign power you would call them terrorist would u? so two faced you are

I am referring to the America embassy in Tehran held for over a year and numerous terrorist acts against the west at that time Iran was for a spell fighting the west saddam was fighting them for a time we armed saddam against them it's what happens particularly when at that time the Russians were also pulling the strings. Had we done nothing as I presume you wanted pretty sure today the west would have lost oil supplies its economy collapsed strategically weakened and today this conversation would be in Russian. It's very easy for you to go back and select events to disparage the west in the real world you have to protect yourself in many ways that's why we have the freedom emp to speak in Iran you would not have that option. But in terms of Syria I see the latest thinking is an alliance russia Iran Assad and the west fighting Islamic state so it's not just your hated west your friends are involved too.

This is a pretty amazing interactive map of the flow of refugees, where they're from and where they're going.

http://www.takepart.com/article/2015/10/...-is?cmpid=tp-fb