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Dick Marty, known for his exposure of illegal CIA-run prisons in Europe, put together a damning report on allegations that Serb and other civilians in Kosovo were kidnapped in the wake of the 1999 war, and taken to Albania where their organs were removed and sold in the black market.

The document names current Kosovo Albanian PM Hashim Thaci, formerly one of the leaders of the so-called Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), as being responsible for these, and other serious crimes.

As the CoE Legal Affairs and Human Rights Committee met today in Paris to adopt the report and draft acresolution that is expected to be debated in late January, Marty spoke to journalists during a news conference.

He stressed that he was "particularly shocked" to find out during his two-year investigation that a large number of people, and organizations, knew about the crimes but "did not wish to talk about it".

Marty noted that his report "said nothing new", and that "everybody knew about the crimes of the KLA".

What is new, the Swiss explained, "is that someone has said it, and put it in writing".

Marty told reporters that his task was to determine the facts related to a book written by former Chief Hague Prosecutor Carla Del Ponte - who first publicly mentioned the organ trafficking allegations in early 2008 - and that his job was "very delicate", because many people chose not to talk to him or his associates.

"The report simply determines that disturbing things have happened, that there is serious evidence that indicates the crimes did happen, that the crimes were committed by KLA members, and that to this day, these crimes have not been punished," Marty said.

The CoE rapporteur added that "these crimes have never been the subject of a serious investigation."

"Another revelation is that they include the territory of Albania. In that absolutely chaotic period in 1999 and 2000, that is, after the end of (NATO) bombardment and establishment of UNMIK, the KLA exercised power in the entire territory (of Kosovo), and that is when the crimes were committed. People were kidnapped, deported to Albania. You are aware that EULEX has opened an investigation related to secret prisons, Kukesh in northern Albania is mentioned there."

Marty went on to say that some parts of his report document "open ties between organized crime and politics, including representatives of the government", and that he was "not guided by rumors, but described the crimes based on many testimonies, documents and objective findings".

"Finally, we arrived at the conclusion that these events were known to many intelligence services from many countries. This was known to the police, to a large number of people, who would privately say, 'yes, I am aware of that', but who, for the sake of political opportunism, would decide to remain silent," he continued.

"What has shocked me is that most facts in this report were known to a large number of organizations, and yet that there was silence about it until this day. I believe that a future of a country cannot be built without truth, without insisting on truth and memory. There will never be peace between various communities if the principle of 'not wanting to know' continues," Marty warned.


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Sixties, the point is, we are discussing ISIS and the current threat, not the threats faced by the ottoman empire. We said the Brits and US played a large role in it, and that is a fact imo. Whether it has been done in the past, or who they learned it from is irrelevant.

The NATO countries, especially the US and Britain have undeniably played a massive role in the rise of ISIS. You might not like hearing it but it is the truth.

You say stop pointing fingers, but why should I? SHould we keep it all a secret and make it very hush hush? No, why would we do that. We need to pinpoint the problems to be able to resolve them. Otherwise they will just repeat themselves.


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Thanks for your posts ninja certaintly it gives an insight into politics from your part of the world and the Balkan war. What's the situation with the migration we read the president of Hungary (as i recall) refused the Syrian refugees as he was concerned large scale Islamic migration would change the culture and lead to the problems we are seeing in England France, Holland, Belgium and Germany. From what I heard other Eastern European countries are having the same view what's the view in Serbia ?


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Originally Posted By: Ninja Skrtel


Did you read what I said? I said I condemn all atrocities. What Milosevic did was wrong, but it was in response to far worse things being done to the native Serbian population on their own land. Innocent people died on all sides, but the reports only portrayed the Serbians as killers, because that was what suited them. Without the support of the west, the KLO would never have had such power,and would have been finished off within a week and mass executions could have been avoided. Like this, mass executions took place on both sides, but only one side was reported, again, as political propaganda.


I understand what you are saying and when violence starts there are atrocities usually from all sides. What I wanted to know was whether the West getting involved was good or bad and I am actually not surprised that as a Serb you are saying that it was bad, basically because in the intervention, it is the Serbs that lost more. With Serbs being the strongest there, the atrocities of Milocevic and co would have continued and the result would have been worse. Well, this is what I think.

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Originally Posted By: Ninja Skrtel
Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Ninja I know little about Kosovo today except it's a hotbed of corruption and worse from what little I know. So although I know nothing I would like to bet despite all Britain America and other countries did for them they hate us. And that their loyalties are to those currently waging war against us.

Am I right ?


The majority of the populaion in Kosovo is muslim now, and mostly they are good people, but as with every place, there are a few bad apples. The majority of the population neither hates the Brits nor loves them, just as you neither hate or love them. The official line from the Kosovo government is "We love the EU and America", meanwhile behind the EU's back, they are funding terrorists and causing chaos. Their government is corrupt and full of criminals imo, and I fear that soon, the EU and the West will realise they made a mistake by empowering these people.

I feel like the west knew what they were getting into but felt they could control the situation. However, the situation is slowly getting out of hand, the leaders of paramilitary units have some very underhand tactics and are very well rehearsed at guerilla warfare. I fear that the same groups which caused unrest in Serbia in 1999 could spread throughout Europe and cause more trouble, as a matter of fact, many already have, just ask the swiss, austrians, italians or greeks how they feel about them.

Their modus operandi is that they move into the country seeking refuge, or that is their excuse, they reproduce like rabbits and before you know it, they are a majority in a small piece of land. Since they are the majority, they then demand that the land becomes their sovereign land, despite the fact you took them in and sheltered them. If you say no, the terrorist acts begin.

As I said, ask the Italians, Greeks etc... It's not looking good for Europe at the moment imo.


Funny enough, what you are saying about Kossovans is about the same what some are saying here about ISIS and it looks like you did not agree with the latter.

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Originally Posted By: sixtiesred
ninj from your comments you basically said the nato the west whatever tried to solve the situation they thought they could handle it, I don't believe their intentions were bad but didn't see the consequences that was to occur! and yes if your info is true it looks bad that senior officials are now sitting pretty but I would suggest that that was individual bad eggs feathering their nests rather than a government conspiracy
re history and invasions my point was that no country is immune to having greed and visions of grandeur! but one thing is for sure most wars and conflicts are over religious beliefs and a lot around the Muslim belief and I mentioned before about out breeding and taking over or invading by becoming the majority which unless it is checked or not allowed to start will happen!only question is how quick it will happen and because it probably wont happen for a few hundred years most on here shrug it off but it is a scientific fact it will happen unless western people start having around 4 - 5 kids and at the moment the figure is about 1.9 kids per couple which is in the scope of a extinction level of reproducing once again this not just talk its fact! and I think your probably one of the few on here that could say yes I have seen this! that's why I am against the refugees being settled in non Muslim countries as this will start the ball rolling were our own democratic system will be our undoing due to they will end up being the majority in the countries they settle and the majority rules will mean changes will happen in those countries because they will have the numbers to implement them wont they ?
there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that it will happen in time, but refusing to let them migrate into Europe is not the answer imo. We should work towards enabling a standard of life where westerners can afford to have more children, this means not only more financial security, but more free time too. Capitalism at the moment is not the way to do that. Neither is communism, but a way must exist and we must implement it, otherwise, as you say, the Caucasian race will be all but forgotten in a few hundred years.


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Originally Posted By: RedsforChampions
Originally Posted By: Ninja Skrtel
Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Ninja I know little about Kosovo today except it's a hotbed of corruption and worse from what little I know. So although I know nothing I would like to bet despite all Britain America and other countries did for them they hate us. And that their loyalties are to those currently waging war against us.

Am I right ?


The majority of the populaion in Kosovo is muslim now, and mostly they are good people, but as with every place, there are a few bad apples. The majority of the population neither hates the Brits nor loves them, just as you neither hate or love them. The official line from the Kosovo government is "We love the EU and America", meanwhile behind the EU's back, they are funding terrorists and causing chaos. Their government is corrupt and full of criminals imo, and I fear that soon, the EU and the West will realise they made a mistake by empowering these people.

I feel like the west knew what they were getting into but felt they could control the situation. However, the situation is slowly getting out of hand, the leaders of paramilitary units have some very underhand tactics and are very well rehearsed at guerilla warfare. I fear that the same groups which caused unrest in Serbia in 1999 could spread throughout Europe and cause more trouble, as a matter of fact, many already have, just ask the swiss, austrians, italians or greeks how they feel about them.

Their modus operandi is that they move into the country seeking refuge, or that is their excuse, they reproduce like rabbits and before you know it, they are a majority in a small piece of land. Since they are the majority, they then demand that the land becomes their sovereign land, despite the fact you took them in and sheltered them. If you say no, the terrorist acts begin.

As I said, ask the Italians, Greeks etc... It's not looking good for Europe at the moment imo.


Funny enough, what you are saying about Kossovans is about the same what some are saying here about ISIS and it looks like you did not agree with the latter.
I do agree that it shouldn't be allowed to happen, I just don't agree that bombing the living daylights out of them is the way to go about it. These refugees are running away from terrorists and war in their homeland, escalating conflict in the area will only increase the numbers. A full and detailed security check.if each and every asylum seeker needs to be done and strict action taken against any offenders but generalizing a nation or religion and bombing the cr@p outta them will lead to nothing more than more violence imo.


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Originally Posted By: sixtiesred
Originally Posted By: Ninja Skrtel
Sixties, the point is, we are discussing ISIS and the current threat, not the threats faced by the ottoman empire. We said the Brits and US played a large role in it, and that is a fact imo. Whether it has been done in the past, or who they learned it from is irrelevant.

The NATO countries, especially the US and Britain have undeniably played a massive role in the rise of ISIS. You might not like hearing it but it is the truth.

You say stop pointing fingers, but why should I? SHould we keep it all a secret and make it very hush hush? No, why would we do that. We need to pinpoint the problems to be able to resolve them. Otherwise they will just repeat themselves.


the problem with out doubt is the middle east its self! through out history one or another countries or religions there have beaten up on others over there whether the west was involved or not! Egypt, Persia, etc no westerners involved back when they were empires and they persecuted others and there own kind slavery mass murders etc so its been there for 5000 years so if anyone learnt these bad ways the west did from them back in the day they were a very cruel and predigest regime with ridiculas practices of sacrifice and worshipping stone figures and I believe that the muslim prophet Allah himself was no angel pardon the pun?


I agree but the problem is, these "few bad eggs" always seem to be at top top levels, and they are the ones defining policies and pushing for air strikes etc. Obviously not all westerners are bad eggs just as not all Muslims are terrorists. But the fact is, just as with the bad muslim eggs such as Bin Laden and Co, the bad western eggs have so much power at their disposal that they are changing world geography and world orders to achieve personal goals and in my opinion, in the process, they are supporting the creation of bad muslim eggs which only leads to a vicious circle of violence.


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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Thanks for your posts ninja certaintly it gives an insight into politics from your part of the world and the Balkan war. What's the situation with the migration we read the president of Hungary (as i recall) refused the Syrian refugees as he was concerned large scale Islamic migration would change the culture and lead to the problems we are seeing in England France, Holland, Belgium and Germany. From what I heard other Eastern European countries are having the same view what's the view in Serbia ?
Hungary shares a border with Serbia and it is a place I have been several times. It is a beautiful country by quite closed and set in their ways, if you know what I mean. They are pleasant to tourists but they are not welcoming and warm like, for example, Australia, the UK, Netherlands or South Africa.

Hungary closed it's borders because the EU was not accepting an adequate number of refugees at the time, and they basically said "well we can't keep them all here, so we are closing our borders until the EU decides what it's policy is and determines quotas for each member". They have since reopened their borders.

In stark contrast, Serbia has willingly welcomed the refugees, as a country which has been through the terrors of war in the recent past. Well, that's the official line, in reality I think it's more like we opened our borders and willingly let them in knowing that very very few would be staying in Serbia. We are a poor economy and they are mostly looking to move on to Austria, Germany and the UK.

Serbia, is a weird nation, if you scorn us we can be very very tough to deal with and cause a real headache to our opponents, but in general we are a very welcoming nation. There are numerous examples of locals taking food and clothes down to the centre's where the refugees are gathering and in general, the Serbs are mostly welcoming the refugees.

I see to reasons for this, 1.we didn't learn from past mistakes and 2. We know they are gonna be moving on.

Unemployment is very high here so we aren't worried about them taking our jobs, because there are none for them to take and we know they will be moving on to greener pastures.

So at the moment the general feeling in Serbia towards the refugees is welcoming, but mention that they are gonna stay here and that could change overnight.


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Thanks for your last comment ninja which just goes to show they are economic migrants not refugees clearly if you were running for your life you would not care a fig about the economy or jobs you would just glad to be safe Serbia or anywhere but their target is the wealthy countries where the benefits are high

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