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So please, we can debate anything, but Serbia and Kosovo is a bit close to home, something I lived through and know the reality of, so i don't appreciate CNN and BBC schooled opinions on it. The media have you believe whatever they want.
This is exactly why Russia is investing so much in the RT telecom network, succesfuly, and are now challenging the big boys in CNN and BBC.
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So please, we can debate anything, but Serbia and Kosovo is a bit close to home, something I lived through and know the reality of, so i don't appreciate CNN and BBC schooled opinions on it. The media have you believe whatever they want.
This is exactly why Russia is investing so much in the RT telecom network, succesfuly, and are now challenging the big boys in CNN and BBC. I realise you were in it and I will make this my last comment and I also realise the political complexities which were not dissimilar to the Middle East with many factions. But you might be interested to know what we thought here in the UK ? I remember it well horrific images on the TV screens and echos of 1945 and the death camps but many English people felt it was nothing to do with us and we should keep out especially as there was no national threat to ourselves. Now it's seen as we did the right thing looking back the Syrian situation though we are threatened very seriously so and of course once again there is a big humitarian issue. I will make no more comments on the balkan war.
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And I do realise Kosovo is no bed of roses
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And another thing ninja you are suggesting the Americans and allies were aggressors in the war in Serbia let's remember why they were there to prevent genocide, death camps and brutal killings of torture. And who were they saving well Muslims and not a drop of oil in sight would you prefer that genocide was allowed to carry on ?
And yes I am suggesting the west would take more care to prevent accidents than Russia and Iran the human rights record of both, both in peace and war would suggest so.
And yes war should not be a first resort yes you should take care but how many years now have Islamic state been allowed to carry on freely and how long have the terrorist attacks in European cities been going on ? You see, you just prove my point. Actually there was no genocide, there were the atrocities of war. However the media spun up a storm and had you believe what they wanted you to believe, which was far from what the reality was. Hundreds of thousands of Serbians driven from their homes in Kosovo, under the threat of terrorism. No there was no oil but there were plenty of other natural resources, including coal, copper, gold and lithium. "The Republic of Kosovo" was created to serve the interests of big powers who control money flow. Kosovo is a prime example of a mafia-terrorist run state and is on par with Afghanistan - which was one of the first countries to recognize it - and Columbia, Sudan, Somalia. According to British journalist and academic John Laughland, a member of the British Helsinki Human Rights Group, who noted that "the sovereignty of Kosovo is fiction, while real power is in the hands of EU clerks and NATO soldiers". Many American officials, whether former or those currently posted in Kosovo, became owners or co-owners of many companies there, primarily those in the telecommunications and energy sector: "General Wesley Clark, who commanded NATO forces during the bombing of Serbia, is now the owner of a Canadian energy company that actively utilizes coal and synthetic fuel products from Kosovo. (Former U.S. Secretary of State) Madeleine Albright owns a 75-percent stake in the K-Telecom company. In effect, Albright is a monopolist when it comes to telecommunications in Kosovo." The media in the U.S. have been pointing out that former officials were taking part in privatizations in Kosovo and investing there in order to achieve their business and personal interests. Are you saying that the west should have stayed away from the war in Kosovo?
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And another thing ninja you are suggesting the Americans and allies were aggressors in the war in Serbia let's remember why they were there to prevent genocide, death camps and brutal killings of torture. And who were they saving well Muslims and not a drop of oil in sight would you prefer that genocide was allowed to carry on ?
And yes I am suggesting the west would take more care to prevent accidents than Russia and Iran the human rights record of both, both in peace and war would suggest so.
And yes war should not be a first resort yes you should take care but how many years now have Islamic state been allowed to carry on freely and how long have the terrorist attacks in European cities been going on ? You see, you just prove my point. Actually there was no genocide, there were the atrocities of war. However the media spun up a storm and had you believe what they wanted you to believe, which was far from what the reality was. Hundreds of thousands of Serbians driven from their homes in Kosovo, under the threat of terrorism. No there was no oil but there were plenty of other natural resources, including coal, copper, gold and lithium. "The Republic of Kosovo" was created to serve the interests of big powers who control money flow. Kosovo is a prime example of a mafia-terrorist run state and is on par with Afghanistan - which was one of the first countries to recognize it - and Columbia, Sudan, Somalia. According to British journalist and academic John Laughland, a member of the British Helsinki Human Rights Group, who noted that "the sovereignty of Kosovo is fiction, while real power is in the hands of EU clerks and NATO soldiers". Many American officials, whether former or those currently posted in Kosovo, became owners or co-owners of many companies there, primarily those in the telecommunications and energy sector: "General Wesley Clark, who commanded NATO forces during the bombing of Serbia, is now the owner of a Canadian energy company that actively utilizes coal and synthetic fuel products from Kosovo. (Former U.S. Secretary of State) Madeleine Albright owns a 75-percent stake in the K-Telecom company. In effect, Albright is a monopolist when it comes to telecommunications in Kosovo." The media in the U.S. have been pointing out that former officials were taking part in privatizations in Kosovo and investing there in order to achieve their business and personal interests. Are you saying that the west should have stayed away from the war in Kosovo? Most definately but since they decided o get involved, they should have done it properly and not turned a blind eye when Serbian extremists entered Srebrenica. I condemn all the atrocities commited by the Serbian paramilitary units. However I despise the one sided coverage of events. The Dutch forces basically allowed Srebrenica to take place, turning a blind eye. The media chose not to report on Dick Marty's (Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe) report on organ theft in Kosovo. Serbs were being killed and their organs harvested. On 14 December 2010, Marty passed a report for adoption to the Council of Europe alleging inhuman treatment of people and killing of prisoners with the purpose of removal and illicit trafficking in human organs in Kosovo, involving Hashim Thaçi, the Kosovo prime minister and former Kosovo Liberation Army political leader. That man is now the prime minister of Kosovo even though there is concrete evidence of his involvment in organ harvesting and trafficking and horrific war crimes. But that didn't suit their agenda, they wanted an independant state of Kosovo which would serve as the perfect geopolitical base for them. Yes, they should not have gotten involved, the Serbian Army would have crushed the terrorist organisation which calls itself the Kosovo Liberation Army, a military outfit funded by crimes such as drug trafficking, sale of narcotics, organ trafficking and human trafficking. However they got involved, formed the state of Kosovo and those very criminals owed them one, which they now came to collect and the facts show it. Madelaine Albright, Wesley Clark and numerous other western leaders all owning major shares in Kosovo's most profitable sectors. Why should the US or NATO get involved in the affairs of a sovereign country which has the capacity to deal with these internal terrorists, which is exactly what the KLO were/are. I understand how you think but you have to understand that the way the media portrayed it is not how it was in reality. If the only info I had was what i heard in the media I would feel the same way as you, but i felt this on my own skin, i lived through it. Still I hold no grudge against any muslims, albanians or whatever, i hold a grudge against all the politicians of that time and against the killers of the time. Innocent people lost lives because of their greed and games.
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Ninja I know little about Kosovo today except it's a hotbed of corruption and worse from what little I know. So although I know nothing I would like to bet despite all Britain America and other countries did for them they hate us. And that their loyalties are to those currently waging war against us.
Am I right ?
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Ninja I KNOW LITTLE ABOUT KOSOVO TODAY except it's a hotbed of corruption and worse from what little I know. So although I know nothing I would like to bet despite all Britain America and other countries did for them they hate us. And that their loyalties are to those currently waging war against us.
Am I right ? Me neither Stanley, but I was taught in Business school to consider that; ‘If its happening to you, its almost certain you’ve set it up’ and I’ve noticed over the years, its pretty much the same in life generally. Therefore if those we thought or said we were helping now hate us, its almost certain we’ve set it up.
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And another thing ninja you are suggesting the Americans and allies were aggressors in the war in Serbia let's remember why they were there to prevent genocide, death camps and brutal killings of torture. And who were they saving well Muslims and not a drop of oil in sight would you prefer that genocide was allowed to carry on ?
And yes I am suggesting the west would take more care to prevent accidents than Russia and Iran the human rights record of both, both in peace and war would suggest so.
And yes war should not be a first resort yes you should take care but how many years now have Islamic state been allowed to carry on freely and how long have the terrorist attacks in European cities been going on ? You see, you just prove my point. Actually there was no genocide, there were the atrocities of war. However the media spun up a storm and had you believe what they wanted you to believe, which was far from what the reality was. Hundreds of thousands of Serbians driven from their homes in Kosovo, under the threat of terrorism. No there was no oil but there were plenty of other natural resources, including coal, copper, gold and lithium. "The Republic of Kosovo" was created to serve the interests of big powers who control money flow. Kosovo is a prime example of a mafia-terrorist run state and is on par with Afghanistan - which was one of the first countries to recognize it - and Columbia, Sudan, Somalia. According to British journalist and academic John Laughland, a member of the British Helsinki Human Rights Group, who noted that "the sovereignty of Kosovo is fiction, while real power is in the hands of EU clerks and NATO soldiers". Many American officials, whether former or those currently posted in Kosovo, became owners or co-owners of many companies there, primarily those in the telecommunications and energy sector: "General Wesley Clark, who commanded NATO forces during the bombing of Serbia, is now the owner of a Canadian energy company that actively utilizes coal and synthetic fuel products from Kosovo. (Former U.S. Secretary of State) Madeleine Albright owns a 75-percent stake in the K-Telecom company. In effect, Albright is a monopolist when it comes to telecommunications in Kosovo." The media in the U.S. have been pointing out that former officials were taking part in privatizations in Kosovo and investing there in order to achieve their business and personal interests. Are you saying that the west should have stayed away from the war in Kosovo? Most definately but since they decided o get involved, they should have done it properly and not turned a blind eye when Serbian extremists entered Srebrenica. I condemn all the atrocities commited by the Serbian paramilitary units. However I despise the one sided coverage of events. The Dutch forces basically allowed Srebrenica to take place, turning a blind eye. The media chose not to report on Dick Marty's (Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe) report on organ theft in Kosovo. Serbs were being killed and their organs harvested. On 14 December 2010, Marty passed a report for adoption to the Council of Europe alleging inhuman treatment of people and killing of prisoners with the purpose of removal and illicit trafficking in human organs in Kosovo, involving Hashim Thaçi, the Kosovo prime minister and former Kosovo Liberation Army political leader. That man is now the prime minister of Kosovo even though there is concrete evidence of his involvment in organ harvesting and trafficking and horrific war crimes. But that didn't suit their agenda, they wanted an independant state of Kosovo which would serve as the perfect geopolitical base for them. Yes, they should not have gotten involved, the Serbian Army would have crushed the terrorist organisation which calls itself the Kosovo Liberation Army, a military outfit funded by crimes such as drug trafficking, sale of narcotics, organ trafficking and human trafficking. However they got involved, formed the state of Kosovo and those very criminals owed them one, which they now came to collect and the facts show it. Madelaine Albright, Wesley Clark and numerous other western leaders all owning major shares in Kosovo's most profitable sectors. Why should the US or NATO get involved in the affairs of a sovereign country which has the capacity to deal with these internal terrorists, which is exactly what the KLO were/are. I understand how you think but you have to understand that the way the media portrayed it is not how it was in reality. If the only info I had was what i heard in the media I would feel the same way as you, but i felt this on my own skin, i lived through it. Still I hold no grudge against any muslims, albanians or whatever, i hold a grudge against all the politicians of that time and against the killers of the time. Innocent people lost lives because of their greed and games. Are you saying that Serbs like Milocevic should have allowed to do whatever they did because without the western involvement, he would have continued for sure? Are you saying that the mass graves were for muslim terrorists only?
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Ninja I know little about Kosovo today except it's a hotbed of corruption and worse from what little I know. So although I know nothing I would like to bet despite all Britain America and other countries did for them they hate us. And that their loyalties are to those currently waging war against us.
Am I right ? The majority of the populaion in Kosovo is muslim now, and mostly they are good people, but as with every place, there are a few bad apples. The majority of the population neither hates the Brits nor loves them, just as you neither hate or love them. The official line from the Kosovo government is "We love the EU and America", meanwhile behind the EU's back, they are funding terrorists and causing chaos. Their government is corrupt and full of criminals imo, and I fear that soon, the EU and the West will realise they made a mistake by empowering these people. I feel like the west knew what they were getting into but felt they could control the situation. However, the situation is slowly getting out of hand, the leaders of paramilitary units have some very underhand tactics and are very well rehearsed at guerilla warfare. I fear that the same groups which caused unrest in Serbia in 1999 could spread throughout Europe and cause more trouble, as a matter of fact, many already have, just ask the swiss, austrians, italians or greeks how they feel about them. Their modus operandi is that they move into the country seeking refuge, or that is their excuse, they reproduce like rabbits and before you know it, they are a majority in a small piece of land. Since they are the majority, they then demand that the land becomes their sovereign land, despite the fact you took them in and sheltered them. If you say no, the terrorist acts begin. As I said, ask the Italians, Greeks etc... It's not looking good for Europe at the moment imo.
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You see, you just prove my point. Actually there was no genocide, there were the atrocities of war. However the media spun up a storm and had you believe what they wanted you to believe, which was far from what the reality was. Hundreds of thousands of Serbians driven from their homes in Kosovo, under the threat of terrorism. No there was no oil but there were plenty of other natural resources, including coal, copper, gold and lithium. "The Republic of Kosovo" was created to serve the interests of big powers who control money flow. Kosovo is a prime example of a mafia-terrorist run state and is on par with Afghanistan - which was one of the first countries to recognize it - and Columbia, Sudan, Somalia. According to British journalist and academic John Laughland, a member of the British Helsinki Human Rights Group, who noted that "the sovereignty of Kosovo is fiction, while real power is in the hands of EU clerks and NATO soldiers". Many American officials, whether former or those currently posted in Kosovo, became owners or co-owners of many companies there, primarily those in the telecommunications and energy sector: "General Wesley Clark, who commanded NATO forces during the bombing of Serbia, is now the owner of a Canadian energy company that actively utilizes coal and synthetic fuel products from Kosovo. (Former U.S. Secretary of State) Madeleine Albright owns a 75-percent stake in the K-Telecom company. In effect, Albright is a monopolist when it comes to telecommunications in Kosovo." The media in the U.S. have been pointing out that former officials were taking part in privatizations in Kosovo and investing there in order to achieve their business and personal interests. Are you saying that the west should have stayed away from the war in Kosovo? Most definately but since they decided o get involved, they should have done it properly and not turned a blind eye when Serbian extremists entered Srebrenica. I condemn all the atrocities commited by the Serbian paramilitary units. However I despise the one sided coverage of events. The Dutch forces basically allowed Srebrenica to take place, turning a blind eye. The media chose not to report on Dick Marty's (Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe) report on organ theft in Kosovo. Serbs were being killed and their organs harvested. On 14 December 2010, Marty passed a report for adoption to the Council of Europe alleging inhuman treatment of people and killing of prisoners with the purpose of removal and illicit trafficking in human organs in Kosovo, involving Hashim Thaçi, the Kosovo prime minister and former Kosovo Liberation Army political leader. That man is now the prime minister of Kosovo even though there is concrete evidence of his involvment in organ harvesting and trafficking and horrific war crimes. But that didn't suit their agenda, they wanted an independant state of Kosovo which would serve as the perfect geopolitical base for them. Yes, they should not have gotten involved, the Serbian Army would have crushed the terrorist organisation which calls itself the Kosovo Liberation Army, a military outfit funded by crimes such as drug trafficking, sale of narcotics, organ trafficking and human trafficking. However they got involved, formed the state of Kosovo and those very criminals owed them one, which they now came to collect and the facts show it. Madelaine Albright, Wesley Clark and numerous other western leaders all owning major shares in Kosovo's most profitable sectors. Why should the US or NATO get involved in the affairs of a sovereign country which has the capacity to deal with these internal terrorists, which is exactly what the KLO were/are. I understand how you think but you have to understand that the way the media portrayed it is not how it was in reality. If the only info I had was what i heard in the media I would feel the same way as you, but i felt this on my own skin, i lived through it. Still I hold no grudge against any muslims, albanians or whatever, i hold a grudge against all the politicians of that time and against the killers of the time. Innocent people lost lives because of their greed and games. Are you saying that Serbs like Milocevic should have allowed to do whatever they did because without the western involvement, he would have continued for sure? Are you saying that the mass graves were for muslim terrorists only? Did you read what I said? I said I condemn all atrocities. What Milosevic did was wrong, but it was in response to far worse things being done to the native Serbian population on their own land. Innocent people died on all sides, but the reports only portrayed the Serbians as killers, because that was what suited them. Without the support of the west, the KLO would never have had such power,and would have been finished off within a week and mass executions could have been avoided. Like this, mass executions took place on both sides, but only one side was reported, again, as political propaganda.
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