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Its an epic.Gotta be in my top 5 of all time tho, even if it is depressing as crap. The story at the start were he is almost beaten to death but has understanding with his attackers, that there is a real human being.Wonderful man

oops sorry for any spoilers lol

Sorry you've lost me Herc. ISIS has now murdered a Chinese citizen yet if we are to believe the EMP narrative it was meant to be that they are just retaliating for Western nations bombing their patch of turf.

Up to this point China has had no engagement with the Arabs in military conflict so I'm lost as to what that has to do with the British handy work their in the opium wars?

I've no dog in this hunt left or right but the savage unevolved nutters we are having to deal with were well described by imadk who happens to live in the region yet his comments appear to have been just brushed aside because it doesn't fit the liberal narrative.

That is not what I said at all, I said our policies created the environment for groups like ISIS. They are nuts, scumbags and want to create a world wide muslim fascist caliphate, their murderous motives are pathetic and unworthy of civilized debate but we are responsible for their rise...don't take my word for it, most experts and whistleblowers agree.

Let's also remember they tortured and beheaded Japanese hostages Japan has done nothing in the Middle East ever as far as I know. The narrative of doing nothing as some would wish would not leave us free from danger long term it would lead to our complete destruction. In the short term attacking IS is likely to result in further terrorist attacks but the narrative therefore we should do nothing is confusing. Are we saying a handful of guys with machine guns can stop the whole of western military ? And we simply give up and await our fate and that we abandon our army Air Force and navy as emp has previously suggested in this thread. Is that really how some see it ?

What a load of Bulls. There is no need to use drones in Belgium as the military can just go to those places. Last time I checked, the extremists were hiding in Afganistan, Pakistan, Syria, Iraq Trogue nations) and not Saudia. Ben Laden, a Saudi national was found in...wait a minute, Pakistan not Saudia. I am not the west but but want those extremist [oops] exterminated.

[quote=Stanley Park]Let's also remember they tortured and beheaded Japanese hostages Japan has done nothing in the Middle East ever as far as I know. The narrative of doing nothing as some would wish would not leave us free from danger long term it would lead to our complete destruction. In the short term attacking IS is likely to result in further terrorist attacks but the narrative therefore we should do nothing is confusing. Are we saying a handful of guys with machine guns can stop the whole of western military ? And we simply give up and await our fate and that we abandon our army Air Force and navy as emp has previously suggested in this thread. Is that really how some see it ? [/quote

you can't grasp it at all can you..I am not saying do nothing, the opposite even- do everything to stop ISIS gaining so much support...i.e stop our neocon policies . As regards what operationally in a military sense then I think we have to thread very carefully (something we are not used to doing). From the reports I have read the Iranian and Shia'a in Syria could wipe out ISIS pretty easily , maybe with Russian air support and I think that would be ideal but it goes against our neocon policies cause we support the enemies of iran and the supporters of ISIS.

Emp you say from what you have read Russia and Iran could wipe out Islamic state pretty easy then you have to ask why don't they ? As we have seen Russia don't need anyone's permission the U.S. was given an hours notice they were going in militarily. But you are right Russia alone would wipe them off the face of the earth in a month America too and probably Britain France as well. But that would leave the problem of what then ? And governing no one wants to make the mistake of Iraq. So I expect a grand alliance including Russia and Iran and politically after the event likely the Iraq government and Assad running their countries but even that is fraught with risk but the path of least worst damage as far as I can see. Then we have to deal with the far bigger problem of radical Islam generally I have no answers for that it's a mess

I am sure the US would find extremists very easily in Saudi if they wanted to. 90% of targets are innocent civilians, that sir is a terrorism campaign and the only obvious result of such a campaign is the victims families and villages and towns and then cities are born into an insane hatred of the people that are dropping bombs on them indiscriminately

Let me offer a scenario..the US has had loads of terrorist training camps in the us, training ruthless murderers to commit genocides in Latin America ..say Nicaragua had the means to deploy drones over the USA and kill anyone they suspected of planning to terrorize their country..according to ur logic they would be well within their rights to do so...and this is not a fiction either, the UN demanded that the US stop all its terrorist activities in Nicaragua and pay the Nicaragian Govt reperatations for its crimes..of course the us veto'd this resolution, but it was very real..


Now ur logic latin american drones should be allowed in that situation, but not in mine, they shouldn't blow the crap out of america cause that leads to more and more hell. That is why we should reverse our policies and allow the UN to work if we want to survive

Very good point emp America meddled in Central America in the 1980's so why if Islamic e extremism is all to do with American foreign policy why is there not an equivalent of Islamic extremism in Central America ?

Now to my next point you seem keen that Iran is the only country to solve the problem leaving aside whether they have the military capability as you well know Iran dominating the area would leave Israel in a very exposed position pretty much your obvious agenda here. Also you portray yourself as a humanitarian whatever you may think of western forces they do try very hard to limit civilian casualties. The Russians and Iranians have no such niceties the Russians have a weapon (something like flaming sun) this weapon spreads propellant over a very wide area and ignites how it got past the Geneva convention I don't know. But once ignited it incinerates everything pretty much like a small nuclear bomb. They have already used it in Syria which is part of the reason assads force gained ground. The Russians on their own with Iran would cause mass civilian casualties which is why it needs to be an international force for a whole bunch of reasons