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what is wrong with protecting countries that have oil because if the control of oil got in the wrong hands there would be world wide chaos, can you imagine isis selling oil to the west not at reasonable prices anyway! I don't know enough about this whole scenario in the middle east but it is prophesised that world war three will start there! all religion is nuts you have priests and fathers raping orphan boys on a big scale and these sort of crimes go covered up by the people high up in each organisation and its prolific, and across most beliefs only one I havn't heard bad stuff about is Buddhists but I could be wrong there too
point is isis has to be got rid off! no matter who or what caused it one thing for sure is the west didn't want this to happen did they?
I know its all about oil but countries throughout history have protected supply lines of commodities they classed essential
this world needs to work together or we going to blow us all of this planet I agree it must be destroyed. Whether the west wanted this to happen or not though, I believe is debatable. They knew what to expect from past experiences, yet opted to proceed. It destabilizes the region, oil prices fall, weapons sales go up etc etc. Of course, no one can for sure, but I wouldn't dismiss any scenario. The same way they made up WMD's as an excuse to go into Iraq, they could instigate terror to serve their purpose. Countless theories exist, the onlz thing we all agree upon is that ISIS must be stopped.
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Hercules ISIS are just another Islamic terrorist group among dozens in the world they existed before we invaded Iraq it's simply a number of formed into that group. You keep ignoring my point but they existed under saddam which was one of the reasons he was so brutal to remain in power same story with Gaddafi and Assad. What has happened with the wests removal of these dictators has created a land mass and political vacuum where they can thrive. But the west is dammed if it does nothing and dammed if it does something the Middle East is a maelstrom of brutal medieval factions but sometimes we have to get involved for humanitarian reasons and for national security. It's very easy with the benefit of historical hindsight and cherry picking bits to suit but I am pretty sure you and others would be saying why did we not do something when faced with thousands dead in our TV screens and especially so if it was at home and even more especially if we were personally involved. Also Islamic terrorism does not just come from the Middle East is global Asia Europe North America Africa Australasia in addition to the Middle East the London bombers were from Leeds Stan the vast majority of the 9/11 bombers came out of Saudi Arabia, yet the UK/USA turned a blind eye to that as they are an ally and a major arms buyer. Instead they invaded Iraq looking for WUMs that never existed. They did however conveniently find huge oil reserves. The UK/USA disgracefully turned a blind eye to the ethnic slaughter that went on in the former Yugoslavia and Rawanda, but then they didn't have oil. No one is disputing the sheer evilness of ISIS but the UK/USA have plenty to be ashamed about also. It was Saudi individuals not the Saudi state there were also English German and Egyptain individuals involved but you can't blame those states for the actions of citizens from those states
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One thing confusing me is if the Islamic state are entirely due to western foreign policy how come they have made no political demands ? You would expect a list of demands do x and we will stop but nothing.
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Hercules ISIS are just another Islamic terrorist group among dozens in the world they existed before we invaded Iraq it's simply a number of formed into that group. You keep ignoring my point but they existed under saddam which was one of the reasons he was so brutal to remain in power same story with Gaddafi and Assad. What has happened with the wests removal of these dictators has created a land mass and political vacuum where they can thrive. But the west is dammed if it does nothing and dammed if it does something the Middle East is a maelstrom of brutal medieval factions but sometimes we have to get involved for humanitarian reasons and for national security. It's very easy with the benefit of historical hindsight and cherry picking bits to suit but I am pretty sure you and others would be saying why did we not do something when faced with thousands dead in our TV screens and especially so if it was at home and even more especially if we were personally involved. Also Islamic terrorism does not just come from the Middle East is global Asia Europe North America Africa Australasia in addition to the Middle East the London bombers were from Leeds Come on Stanley, surely, not even you believe that this is the reason behind the west getting involved. The only people to blame ofr what is happening is the extremists, no matter whether they are muslim, catholic or whatever. Extremism in any form is detrimental to society imo. The question is, what breeds this extremism and who stands to gain the most from it? I do believe it actually what other reason would it be ?
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Hercules ISIS are just another Islamic terrorist group among dozens in the world they existed before we invaded Iraq it's simply a number of formed into that group. You keep ignoring my point but they existed under saddam which was one of the reasons he was so brutal to remain in power same story with Gaddafi and Assad. What has happened with the wests removal of these dictators has created a land mass and political vacuum where they can thrive. But the west is dammed if it does nothing and dammed if it does something the Middle East is a maelstrom of brutal medieval factions but sometimes we have to get involved for humanitarian reasons and for national security. It's very easy with the benefit of historical hindsight and cherry picking bits to suit but I am pretty sure you and others would be saying why did we not do something when faced with thousands dead in our TV screens and especially so if it was at home and even more especially if we were personally involved. Also Islamic terrorism does not just come from the Middle East is global Asia Europe North America Africa Australasia in addition to the Middle East the London bombers were from Leeds Come on Stanley, surely, not even you believe that this is the reason behind the west getting involved. The only people to blame ofr what is happening is the extremists, no matter whether they are muslim, catholic or whatever. Extremism in any form is detrimental to society imo. The question is, what breeds this extremism and who stands to gain the most from it? I do believe it actually what other reason would it be ? if you need me to explain than we are on a completely different field Stan. Come on.
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Hercules ISIS are just another Islamic terrorist group among dozens in the world they existed before we invaded Iraq it's simply a number of formed into that group. You keep ignoring my point but they existed under saddam which was one of the reasons he was so brutal to remain in power same story with Gaddafi and Assad. What has happened with the wests removal of these dictators has created a land mass and political vacuum where they can thrive. But the west is dammed if it does nothing and dammed if it does something the Middle East is a maelstrom of brutal medieval factions but sometimes we have to get involved for humanitarian reasons and for national security. It's very easy with the benefit of historical hindsight and cherry picking bits to suit but I am pretty sure you and others would be saying why did we not do something when faced with thousands dead in our TV screens and especially so if it was at home and even more especially if we were personally involved. Also Islamic terrorism does not just come from the Middle East is global Asia Europe North America Africa Australasia in addition to the Middle East the London bombers were from Leeds Come on Stanley, surely, not even you believe that this is the reason behind the west getting involved. The only people to blame ofr what is happening is the extremists, no matter whether they are muslim, catholic or whatever. Extremism in any form is detrimental to society imo. The question is, what breeds this extremism and who stands to gain the most from it? I do believe it actually what other reason would it be ? if you need me to explain than we are on a completely different field Stan. Come on. Money, money, money.......we don't get involved for the greater good, only for gain. I'd love to feel patriotic and confident that our country and others acted to actually help people but there is always a different agenda. It's depressing and it sums it up that while people are mourning the innocent people killed in Paris the government (French or whoever) sanction revenge bombing of innocents in Syria in the hope that we kill off a few terrorists that are believed to live among them. Maybe it'll be the Syrian flag people will have on the FB status over the next few days to mourn them too. This will go on and on, we're all just cannon fodder.
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can someone please tell me who were the scumbag terrorists who invaded and landgrabbed what is today the usa, almost annihilating the native americans in the process. are these the same people who did this to s america, africa, australia and nz ?
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/no...-whistleblowersAgain an obvious connection but at least there is now insiders coming out with it. The military complex wants this endless war, but we as humans must not accept it. Missiles that appear out of nowhere and kill ur mum or ur sister or ur sons or daughters, it drives these people insane and it drives them to hate the people responsible. We need a civilized western society, lets stop our own crimes and hopefully by doing that we won't have as many crimes committed against us.
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yeah well wait till isis gets its hands on some biological weapons like to see what you would say then because that could be catastrophic no matter where you are ? One thing has got nothing to do with the other, I would say the same - lets stop committing crimes and fueling these groups. ISIS needs to go , but the west has a two faced policy towards ISIS , remember we are friends with the countries that fund ISIS and enemies of their enemies, i.e the shia's. We have created this mess, invasions and drone strikes are terrorist attacks on a much bigger and consistent scale than we have faced. Imagine your home town or city surrounded by drones. That report says that up to 90% of drone victims could be innocents, that is pure evil terrorism - we don't have to wonder why ISIS and anti west hatred has come about
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can someone please tell me who were the scumbag terrorists who invaded and landgrabbed what is today the usa, almost annihilating the native americans in the process. are these the same people who did this to s america, africa, australia and nz ? all countries that have been the major power in their region have done this throughout history Egypt , Palestine, mongols, French ,German, probably Syria under another name Iran Iraq, Danes myans in sth America Inca's Mexicans, Japanese so their is no inocents in this regard so whats your point ? my point is - refer to an earlier post where i suggested inter alia that borders should be removed and people free to choose where they wish to live.
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