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I do accept the invasion of Iraq contributed Hercules but not for the same reasons. Isis are not the start of Islamic terrorism but was around in saddams day and well before the reason that was one of the reasons he was as brutal as he was he kept the lid on it getting rid opened the lid, Islamic terrorism existed before Iraq and Afghanistan but yes these events made it worse but what was the west to do after New York do nothing ? and saddam was a threat to the Middle East. But where are where we are and the war we are in is for our very survival as a civilisation i care about what happens now But that makes no sense Stanley, Saddam was not a Muslim terrorist he was a secular leader, and even Bush and Blair never gave terrorism as a reason for their invasion, they concocted their WMD rubbish to frighten their respective populations into supporting an invasion to stop Saddam selling oil in Eoros. Remember the "clear and present danger" rubbish from Blair and his "Sadam can drop the bomb on London in less than an hour" rubbish. Also you're incorrect to say Isis was in Iraq in Saddam's day, as Isis didn't exist then. It began as an offshoot from Bin Laden's outfit after the invasion and destruction of Iraq. We are where we are largely because of that invasion to save the Dollar as the international oil currency, including to a lesser extent Sterling. The Dollar as the international oil currency allows the USA to print virtually unlimited amounts of Dollars, which they use to fund their wars and arms industries, and hence their international hegemony. That's what it was all about and that's why we are where we are. I am afraid you completely missed my point I am aware saddam was secular my point is muslin extremism existed in Iraq long before we invaded and saddam kept the lid on it mainly Sunni who discriminated against shai and in Sunni countries the reverse so if you want to blame anyone blame the Arabs
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The only people holding Iran off destroying Islamic state is Iran Russia did not ask our permission. To invade Syria and Iran is a proxy if Russia. But hopefully we will see an alliance with Russia Iran America and likely 60 other countries to blow Islamic state off the face of the earth and hopefully get an Arab settlement without us imposing. Don't also forget Islamic state is but one if at least a dozen Muslim terrorist organisations around the world as well as thousands of lone wolfs small groups in western societies
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I do accept the invasion of Iraq contributed Hercules but not for the same reasons. Isis are not the start of Islamic terrorism but was around in saddams day and well before the reason that was one of the reasons he was as brutal as he was he kept the lid on it getting rid opened the lid, Islamic terrorism existed before Iraq and Afghanistan but yes these events made it worse but what was the west to do after New York do nothing ? and saddam was a threat to the Middle East. But where are where we are and the war we are in is for our very survival as a civilisation i care about what happens now But that makes no sense Stanley, Saddam was not a Muslim terrorist he was a secular leader, and even Bush and Blair never gave terrorism as a reason for their invasion, they concocted their WMD rubbish to frighten their respective populations into supporting an invasion to stop Saddam selling oil in Eoros. Remember the "clear and present danger" rubbish from Blair and his "Sadam can drop the bomb on London in less than an hour" rubbish. Also you're incorrect to say Isis was in Iraq in Saddam's day, as Isis didn't exist then. It began as an offshoot from Bin Laden's outfit after the invasion and destruction of Iraq. We are where we are largely because of that invasion to save the Dollar as the international oil currency, including to a lesser extent Sterling. The Dollar as the international oil currency allows the USA to print virtually unlimited amounts of Dollars, which they use to fund their wars and arms industries, and hence their international hegemony. That's what it was all about and that's why we are where we are. I am afraid you completely missed my point I am aware saddam was secular my point is muslin extremism existed in Iraq long before we invaded and saddam kept the lid on it mainly Sunni who discriminated against shai and in Sunni countries the reverse so if you want to blame anyone blame the Arabs Even the dogs in the street know that the invasion of Iraq gave rise to Isis, and the mess that is now that region, and also know that the invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with “The War on Terrorism”, yet you say blame the Arabs...blame the Arabs?
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Hercules ISIS are just another Islamic terrorist group among dozens in the world they existed before we invaded Iraq it's simply a number of formed into that group. You keep ignoring my point but they existed under saddam which was one of the reasons he was so brutal to remain in power same story with Gaddafi and Assad. What has happened with the wests removal of these dictators has created a land mass and political vacuum where they can thrive. But the west is dammed if it does nothing and dammed if it does something the Middle East is a maelstrom of brutal medieval factions but sometimes we have to get involved for humanitarian reasons and for national security. It's very easy with the benefit of historical hindsight and cherry picking bits to suit but I am pretty sure you and others would be saying why did we not do something when faced with thousands dead in our TV screens and especially so if it was at home and even more especially if we were personally involved. Also Islamic terrorism does not just come from the Middle East is global Asia Europe North America Africa Australasia in addition to the Middle East the London bombers were from Leeds
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Hercules and if you care to do some research you will find Wahhabism existed as far back as the eighteenth century this is the ideology of Islamic state it's been around for a long time
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Hercules ISIS are just another Islamic terrorist group among dozens in the world they existed before we invaded Iraq it's simply a number of formed into that group. You keep ignoring my point but they existed under saddam which was one of the reasons he was so brutal to remain in power same story with Gaddafi and Assad. What has happened with the wests removal of these dictators has created a land mass and political vacuum where they can thrive. But the west is dammed if it does nothing and dammed if it does something the Middle East is a maelstrom of brutal medieval factions but sometimes we have to get involved for humanitarian reasons and for national security. It's very easy with the benefit of historical hindsight and cherry picking bits to suit but I am pretty sure you and others would be saying why did we not do something when faced with thousands dead in our TV screens and especially so if it was at home and even more especially if we were personally involved. Also Islamic terrorism does not just come from the Middle East is global Asia Europe North America Africa Australasia in addition to the Middle East the London bombers were from Leeds Come on Stanley, surely, not even you believe that this is the reason behind the west getting involved. The only people to blame ofr what is happening is the extremists, no matter whether they are muslim, catholic or whatever. Extremism in any form is detrimental to society imo. The question is, what breeds this extremism and who stands to gain the most from it?
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Hercules ISIS are just another Islamic terrorist group among dozens in the world they existed before we invaded Iraq it's simply a number of formed into that group. You keep ignoring my point but they existed under saddam which was one of the reasons he was so brutal to remain in power same story with Gaddafi and Assad. What has happened with the wests removal of these dictators has created a land mass and political vacuum where they can thrive. But the west is dammed if it does nothing and dammed if it does something the Middle East is a maelstrom of brutal medieval factions but sometimes we have to get involved for humanitarian reasons and for national security. It's very easy with the benefit of historical hindsight and cherry picking bits to suit but I am pretty sure you and others would be saying why did we not do something when faced with thousands dead in our TV screens and especially so if it was at home and even more especially if we were personally involved. Also Islamic terrorism does not just come from the Middle East is global Asia Europe North America Africa Australasia in addition to the Middle East the London bombers were from Leeds Come on Stanley, surely, not even you believe that this is the reason behind the west getting involved. The only people to blame ofr what is happening is the extremists, no matter whether they are muslim, catholic or whatever. Extremism in any form is detrimental to society imo. The question is, what breeds this extremism and who stands to gain the most from it? Extremism is not to accept and respect views different to your own and terrorism is to use terror in forcing others to accept your views. The crusades and the inquisition was a form of christian terrorism and a lot of those who were doing it were convinced that they were doing it to help other save their soul. Some muslims are doing it now like those pushing for sharia law. There will always be reasons for terrorism, but this has no place in any society.
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Hercules ISIS are just another Islamic terrorist group among dozens in the world they existed before we invaded Iraq it's simply a number of formed into that group. You keep ignoring my point but they existed under saddam which was one of the reasons he was so brutal to remain in power same story with Gaddafi and Assad. What has happened with the wests removal of these dictators has created a land mass and political vacuum where they can thrive. But the west is dammed if it does nothing and dammed if it does something the Middle East is a maelstrom of brutal medieval factions but sometimes we have to get involved for humanitarian reasons and for national security. It's very easy with the benefit of historical hindsight and cherry picking bits to suit but I am pretty sure you and others would be saying why did we not do something when faced with thousands dead in our TV screens and especially so if it was at home and even more especially if we were personally involved. Also Islamic terrorism does not just come from the Middle East is global Asia Europe North America Africa Australasia in addition to the Middle East the London bombers were from Leeds Stan the vast majority of the 9/11 bombers came out of Saudi Arabia, yet the UK/USA turned a blind eye to that as they are an ally and a major arms buyer. Instead they invaded Iraq looking for WUMs that never existed. They did however conveniently find huge oil reserves. The UK/USA disgracefully turned a blind eye to the ethnic slaughter that went on in the former Yugoslavia and Rawanda, but then they didn't have oil. No one is disputing the sheer evilness of ISIS but the UK/USA have plenty to be ashamed about also.
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Hercules and if you care to do some research you will find Wahhabism existed as far back as the eighteenth century this is the ideology of Islamic state it's been around for a long time Yes and islamic national fascism sprung from that in the 1960's in Extreme Sunni parts of the middle east ,and the west happily embraced that cause it destroys secularism and democracy which we hate. So the Saudi's became our best mates, we took down the democractic iranian govt , we funded radical schools in Pakistian and afghan border regions to draw russia into a fight. And still this would be a nothing sect if we didn't invade and destroy Iraq and terrorrised the middle east with drone strikes. You say the threat is as bad as the Nazi's, and yet u know where the money for ISIS comes from and are happy supporting these countries. You are full of it. We brought these sub human scumbags on ourselves, actually not we our govts did and they knew they would and have done nothing really to stop them either...and yes they have blocked Iranian forces, the US only recently included them as part of the solution after the iraqi armies big push back got them a hiding. How many Islamic fundamentalist terrorist attacks in the UK before the invasion of Iraq?
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