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Do we in the west not also get requests for help in some of these internal disputes too ninja? Syrians were definitely asking for help against Asad and the government was getting slated for not doing. Seems we could be damned if we do and damned if we don't. Exactly you have to take the best action at the time based on the knowledge you have at that time sometimes it works sometimes not these guys are just cherry picking to blame the west
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Ask yourselves "Why do these terrorist attacks not happen in Switzerland, Norway, Finland, Portugal, Luxembourg, Brazil, Argentina, Ecuador, Venezuela, Mozambique etc? Because these countries are not interferring in the internal affairs of Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan etc. All the European countries you name have a Islamic terrorist problem including your own
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there you go woofa did my best! I admit gramma is not my strong point when I'm in a hurry it tends to be completely omitted  as far as I have read/heard non of the Muslim leaders of religious, state or countries has come out and said something like this, to all good Islam's rise and expose those responsible for isis, get their names where they live there family and inform the government! give them no shelter, no food and no water for they are evil ! I think its called a fatwa on them?they did it to someone who wrote a book ffs ? so how about on some Muslim terrorists because as I have said before someone knows these people and their family, girlfriends, friends! why haven't they spoken out and dobbed em in I know they haven't because isis stills exists! so I think there are more than people think that support this group ! oh well such is life I wont worry that you couldn't read it if it was too hard for you! but in regards to violence, most don't endorse violence but look what happened to the Jews turning the other cheek doesn't always work! but in nature animals, plants, fish, everything basically protect themselves by doing something to make them less appealing to others that might want them as food or their territory, this usually involves more force than what is being applied to them or violence does it not ?our problem is we pussy foot around with these clowns instead of giving them a hiding they wouldn't want repeated! same when I was bouncer saying be nice lads or behave please didn't work!however when you shove their arm up behind there necks and give em clout! they and others think twice about causing trouble again and I'm sorry but that's the way it is! act soft you get more trouble in my experience ? No it does not. It involves methods such as camouflage, symbiosis, deception, developing evolutionary advantages, for example the ability to store nutrients within their bodies and use them in conditions when nutrients are not available in the environment, speed, night vision etc. Actually, in nature, violence is very rarely IF EVER, applied as a precautionary measure. As a matter of fact, when is violence used in nature as a precautionary measure? I would welcome an example. Have you ever seen a fish attack a fisherman as a precaution? Have you ever seen a gazelle attack a lion as a precaution. Defensive and preventative measures are 2 very different things. I think your just having a go for the sake of having go plants eat insects that walk into there traps, Ive seen sharks attack and eat people, have you ever seen lions let other lions intrude on their territory without a fight, same with fish,monkeys, birds, ants pretty much all wildlife defends and and attacks intruders in their territory, ive seen lions hunt down and kill hyenas because they just don't like them and hyenas do the same to lions! don't no why your highlighting precaution I'm saying violence is pretty much used by most animals in defending offspring and territory! and even revenge killings happen, ive seen chimps hunt and rip apart other monkeys and eat them I have never seen any wildlife forgive intrusions or attacks on offspring all is met with force,violence and anger, where have I said defence and precaution are the same I am saying turning the other cheek don't work tolerance don't work as they keep pushing and then what more tolerance sorry for me its nut em , deck em and kick the F uck out of them then they wont bother you again always worked for me! maybe you let people take the p155 out of you and take things from you hurt your family friends and country I don't guess were different We are humans not animals and apparently we are superior to them. Having read this post I am not so sure.
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Do we in the west not also get requests for help in some of these internal disputes too ninja? Syrians were definitely asking for help against Asad and the government was getting slated for not doing. Seems we could be damned if we do and damned if we don't. As someone who has lived through a civil war in Serbia, let me tell you about the resistance movement in Serbia. The were known as "OTPOR" which literallz translates to resistance. The group of guzs who started the resistance and revolution seemed a verz well educated bunch and thez were verz adept at convincing others of their beliefs. I agreed with much of what they said and disagreed with onlz a few things. After the revolution and removal of Milosevic and the installation of a more pro-western government, the quality of life here went downhill, and has never recovered. Some 3 zears ago, news broke that the resistance movement here was funded by the west and that that same group of guzs has been in Iraq and Syria starting revolutions. Their strategy of raising and convincing the masses is so effective that they were hired by the west to go and create chaos and upheavel wherever the west wanted to remove the powers that be and instill their own. These guys are still working and doing this for the west. In the mean time, the quality of life in Serbia has gone downhill, the government is no more than an extension of the IMF and a right hand to Angela Merkel. The Serbian people actually have no say on the waz the country is run.
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Ask yourselves "Why do these terrorist attacks not happen in Switzerland, Norway, Finland, Portugal, Luxembourg, Brazil, Argentina, Ecuador, Venezuela, Mozambique etc? Because these countries are not interferring in the internal affairs of Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan etc. All the European countries you name have a Islamic terrorist problem including your own Nonsense.
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Funny I live in a country a metaphorical stone throws away from Stans, much more Christian , equal western values. near 2% muslim population to the uk's 4.5% - ireland's threat factor is almost zero. You might not like getting told its your govt's policies that started this whole mess but it is so in your face obvious that you are an ignorant and dangerous fool if you refuse to face up to that fact. Instead of stoking up Civil wars and racism you should trying to figure out ways to rectify your own govts mess. I took the trouble if looking up Ireland's Islamic population it's centred around two cities Dublin and your own cork. It was almost nil 20 years ago now growing at a rapid rate. You don't have the problems simply because you are later in the timeframe but I would be amazed if the Garda have not been planning for attacks. Ireland won't be immune from this and is a very Catholic country and I am not sure your people would be as tolerant as the Brits if anything did kick off. just my perception my experience of Irish people is they are very patriotic and loyal to their faith whereas the Brits less so on both counts It's also not true Ireland are not involved Ireland is in NATO
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The civil war has not finished its not even started yet there are likely to be more terrorist attacks but the gun battle in the centre of Paris has ended yes. Civil war Stanley? That's pushing it surely as is a lot of your language on this issue, funny I didn't figure you for a rabble rouser, or a war monger, but your language here is quite intemperate, to put it mildly, don't you think you should lighten up a bit? Well not really I am very angry Paris was not a one off events like it have been happening for a long time if groups of men carrying rocket launchers grenades and assault rifles in one of our major cities is not civil war then I don't know what is. Like I say nothing unusual over Paris the British government have so far foiled 600 terrorist threats on UK soil one of which would have made the Paris attacks look like a Sunday school picnic. I also live in an area where every day my life and my family could be next. So sorry for being a bit emotional and I am also angry being told it's all our own fault I don't care what your beliefs are or what grievance you have nothing justifies this Well I have family in London and I also have concerns for them, as I expect London is a prime target. However that doesn't blind me to what gave rise to this Isis group, and which nations leaderships are primarily responsible for it. No sensible person will deny that the invasion of Iraq by the Bush and Blair leadership created the conditions for Isis to emerge and grow strong. They concocted the weapons of mass destruction fallacy to cover up the fact that the invasion was to stop the sale of Iraqu's oil in Euro denomination instead of dollars and Sterling, hence the reluctance of the Germans and the French to join their crusade. Do you accept that the Iraq invasion created the conditions that gave rise to Isis? And do you accept that it's primary purpose was to get rid of the Iraq oil bursary and the sale of Iraqu's oil in Euros instead of Dollars and Sterling? Most independent commentators accept that had that invasion not occurred the conditions that gave rise to Isis would not have arisen.
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Sorry I got that wrong Ireland is not part of NATO but then neither is Sweden and it has a huge terrorism problem. Anyone Irish who thinks they are immune us deluding themselves and if it does kick off there I suspect there will be a backlash from the population
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Sorry I got that wrong Ireland is not part of NATO but then neither is Sweden and it has a huge terrorism problem. Anyone Irish who thinks they are immune us deluding themselves and if it does kick off there I suspect there will be a backlash from the population That response to my post above is unworthy of you Stanley,
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I do accept the invasion of Iraq contributed Hercules but not for the same reasons. Isis are not the start of Islamic terrorism but was around in saddams day and well before the reason that was one of the reasons he was as brutal as he was he kept the lid on it getting rid opened the lid, Islamic terrorism existed before Iraq and Afghanistan but yes these events made it worse but what was the west to do after New York do nothing ? and saddam was a threat to the Middle East. But where are where we are and the war we are in is for our very survival as a civilisation i care about what happens now
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