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As for justifying the downing of the airliner by the Russians attacking Islamic state can I ask emp do you think we should not be attacking Islamic state but merely leaving them to occupy the area and grow. I know you said Iran should do it but Iran is backed by Russia who supplies it with arms

Countries shouldn't have defence industries..the military industry is one of the great evils of the world as their existence obviously leads to death and destruction. The human race has no future with the set up of the world today...we should each contribute to a UN peace force, scrap the UN security council (which only exists so the rich countries can pick and choose what fights it wants) and abide by the UN assembly votes, total democracy in action.

Our actions against ISIS fuel ISIS, we support the countries that fund ISIS we have drones blowing up villages in countries all over the world. I read an interview with a village elder in some small backward Yemen village, he talked how Ismalic militants in the area came into the village to recruit and spread propaganda and they got nowhere and left, a week later a drone blew up some house and left 3 women and two dead babies in the adjacent street . The village was run by Militants the next week. That is what we are doing. After 9/11 there was sympathy from the muslim world and condemnation of extreme radicalism that the west could have tapped into and isolated the bin ladens of the world, instead we bombed the [oops] out of everything..and we did so because of oil, the military industry etc..not because we were protecting our people.

Iran and Syrian are the best people to deal with ISIS we have too much history and bias. I do agree with u that assad will probably need to be allowed get a grip of that country again, and he has always been supported by Iran anyways. Its the US trying to pretend that iraq can deal with it that has enabled ISIS to get so big

I believe "humans" were taken to a penal colony, viz. Earth as punishment. "Humans" have an inherent defect to kill, rape, murder and pillage and were therefore removed from Universal society.

That says everything no national defence good luck with that

You are not jeremy corbyn by any chance ?

That's all well and good and I'm sure most humans would agree with that principle. But it'll never work as like Stan keeps pointing out, there are some bad people in this world. You can take their guns away but they will still find ways to kill you.

The only way there will ever be peace on this earth is to kill all the bad people (but who's to say more bad people won't be born) or when the human race is extinct. And even then animals will kill other animals.

Anyone who thinks we can do without an army air force and navy is completely crazy. As for Iran sorting out Islamic state I undestand they arte arming some groups who are fighting IS but as for full scale Iranian invasion its not happening nor are the Arab states taking it on. Its left to the west to do the hard lifting with support from the srab countries which is pretty much what will happen america and russia from the air and various groups on the ground supported by our special forces.

Do a body count, you will find the bad people are us.

That maybe the case. But ISIS and are hardly good people are they?

Iran has troops on the ground against them and would have more if we left them do so.