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You obviously can't read properly.

Yea sure as well as calling people racist pigs scumbags. You have basically condoned it by giving big explanations and only denying a few posts ago

Typical Emp disinformation we created bin laden to an extent yes but the small matter omitted was at the time we were are the height of the cold war and Russia had invaded Afghanistan so at that time to arm the rebels was extremely sensible. Of course go forward 30 years and it might not have been sensible although we will never know had Russia succeeded the outcome might have been different. We were doing the right thing for the right motives at that moment but that's the trouble with time you only know the past and present never the future and with international conflicts untended consequences are always the risk. But with Emp its not complicated its simple it's the fault of the west no matter what

Why don't we learn from our past mistakes though instead of repeating them and not taking responsibility for the consequences ?

You are condoning them by blaming the west for creating them therefore taking the blame off them.

And I think you need to stop throwing the racist abuse around. Nothing Stan has said is racist just not how you see it.

Because every situation is different and must be taken on its own merits based on the information you have at the time.

The trouble for me is that if we do nothing in these things, we get slated where as if we do something we get slated. For me, I'd be happy to let them all go to shitte and concentrate on our own country and the problems within it. But that's not realistic.

The other thing I would add is over half the attackers are French not Arabs or from countries we have supposedly wronged what's the story there ? Same in Britain most of our terrorist attacks are by British citizens. If it's American foreign policy why are countries from Central America not attacking there is one common denominator in the attackers all over the world

They're too busy with the DEA

Well EMP we've been on contrasting sides on this thread but you'd be surprised that I agree with you on many points, especially the double faced policy of Western governments, their hypocritical double standards, their inexplicable support of israeli atrocities which no doubt has created over the years a deep feeling of resentment among the people of the middle east and to the creation of many anti-western movements (remember black september?). Let me tell you however that ISIS is a completely different story. ISIS is not a reaction to western policies, it dates much further back in history to the fourteenth century and the teachings of Ibn Taymieh who preached an extremely fundamentalist version of Islam, carried on in the eighteenth century by Muhammad Abdul Wahab whose doctrines were adopted by Ibn Saud, founder of the Al Saoud dynasty that rules Saudi Arabia today. Although ISIS have their own agenda, they are the twenty first century heirs of some very very old ideologies. Don't you find it curious that Israel is the country LEAST targeted by fundamentalist jihadis, thus lending credibility to the opinion that all of what we're witnessing is just an israeli scheme to destroy the arab world from within?