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KD beat a high flying City team in their place. Ripped utd and chelsea on e two. Suarez hit the post 50 times in that season. Yes there was a real low point from that ARSENAL defeat onwards but KD knows football and would have had plans in place to fix the problems. We were certainly more professional under him than we are now, BR doesn't know what his best team is our his best formation. After 3yrs and no cups
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I still think that one full season is not enough to judge a manager, especially as he took us to 2 finals winning, though this is history. What I am sure of though is that once it was decided that he was to go, we should have taken a manager who had something to show, not somebody who had everything to prove.
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You know what? I that very bad season, we were still in the race for 4th in early March when we played against Arsenal and lost in a game we dominated but got struck by a Van Persie wonder goal and quite a few misses fron Suarez in the first half. After that the team gave up the league and focussed on the cups. The problem however is that we are not better off after 3 years and I would even say we are worse off. Dalglish had more than 12 months. He also had control over targets who were far from quality. I think it falls into that trap of being disillusioned and exaggerating KDs abilities. I don't remember, off the top of my head, a single person convinced he was anything other than a stop gap that didn't work out. That Arsenal game was our 4th loss in 7. We were hardly competing.
We're no worse off than we were. I'd say the squad as a whole is just as good if not better despite not having Suarez, Gerrard or Sterling. We're doing exactly what FSG need us to do to sustain their income.
Squad-wise, we have at least a backup in every position, on paper, that could compete in a game in the PL. Whether that is Coutinho against any team, or Enrique against lesser opposition. I'm not commenting on FSG anymore. It's difficult assessing owners that lots on here have decided to hate. Yes we have a bigger squad and this is wht you should expect after spending 300m, no? However, you cannot expect a 0-3 loss at Anfied against WH in a game they fully deserved. Unacceptable to me, you cannot accept to be beaten 6-1 by stoke, you cannot accept no cups in 3 years (not even a final).
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I can't accept finishing 8th, behind Everton and Newcastle. I don't believe in this "lets look at him less clinically because he got us to two cup finals" ... he won one, and that's all well and good, its always nice to win a cup, but we lost to Wigan at Anfield for the first time in our history, had our worst defeat to Spurs since the 60s, and lost to Fulham our oinly ever time at Anfield too. You can pick and choose all the moments you wish, but losing 4-0 to Spurs and losing 6-1 to Stoke are fairly comparable. You can randomly choose moments where any record was broken and ask "how could you let that happen" but it doesn't mean you can be immune to when every other manager has set a similar standard for those moments.
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As for your West Ham comments, all I say is I'm not going to jump to a conclusion about it. At the moment, on paper, and in my eyes, it was an anomaly this season. Our defence has managed clean sheets, and our results are up on last seasons. All there is left to judge is the next game, and this is a big one historically and in terms of rivals too. All this debate on him going or staying is just too much to handle. Fans should stop debating needlessly when nothing is on the table yet until he's had a full start to the season. If there was this much focus getting behind Rodgers, we might have actually seen a better response at Anfield once we went 1-0 and then 2-0 down.
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As for your West Ham comments, all I say is I'm not going to jump to a conclusion about it. At the moment, on paper, and in my eyes, it was an anomaly this season. Our defence has managed clean sheets, and our results are up on last seasons. All there is left to judge is the next game, and this is a big one historically and in terms of rivals too. All this debate on him going or staying is just too much to handle. Fans should stop debating needlessly when nothing is on the table yet until he's had a full start to the season. If there was this much focus getting behind Rodgers, we might have actually seen a better response at Anfield once we went 1-0 and then 2-0 down. We might actually have seen a better response from a more talented manager.
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Rodgers always struggles to turn games around once they where 2-0 up there was only one winner
Plus the kop have seen this too many times the last 6 months
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As for your West Ham comments, all I say is I'm not going to jump to a conclusion about it. At the moment, on paper, and in my eyes, it was an anomaly this season. Our defence has managed clean sheets, and our results are up on last seasons. All there is left to judge is the next game, and this is a big one historically and in terms of rivals too. All this debate on him going or staying is just too much to handle. Fans should stop debating needlessly when nothing is on the table yet until he's had a full start to the season. If there was this much focus getting behind Rodgers, we might have actually seen a better response at Anfield once we went 1-0 and then 2-0 down. Both of your posts on this page are fairly balanced but I believe for most fans, BR started this season on borrowed time. For me he has anyway. He is not being judged on a 4 game start he's being judged on 100+ games and £200+ Million. I can not get behind this manager on any level quite simply because I do not think he should be at the club this season. BR has exhausted all my reservation and optimism I may have once had. I have 100% faith in the fact that his legacy after leaving this club will be to have achieved nothing other than letting the title slip away and after spending £200+ Million he will leave the club with sh1tter players than what he inherited.
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I would say most fans no don't see him as the answer and in his own words he has to prove himself to them
West ham game didn't help him and tomorrow is massive.
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Both of your posts on this page are fairly balanced but I believe for most fans, BR started this season on borrowed time. For me he has anyway. He is not being judged on a 4 game start he's being judged on 100+ games and £200+ Million.
I can not get behind this manager on any level quite simply because I do not think he should be at the club this season. BR has exhausted all my reservation and optimism I may have once had. I have 100% faith in the fact that his legacy after leaving this club will be to have achieved nothing other than letting the title slip away and after spending £200+ Million he will leave the club with sh1tter players than what he inherited.
Post of the week by a football pitch.
Last edited by Top4; 11/09/15 08:41 AM.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.
George Washington
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I think that how most think now
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