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Rodgers has spent around 70m on defensive players before this transfer window (Mignolet 10, Sakho 18, Ilori 7, Lovren 20, Moreno 12, Toure free), and we still concede a lot. You say it's because of Moreno, but all our defenders including the goalkeeper look weak making mistakes. Either we buy crap or it's the system, I would think it's the latter as for example Lovren was nowhere near what he was at Southampton. That's why this isn't a discussion or generally ever is. Skrtel hasn't looked weak. Sakho hasn't looked weak. Flanagan (before injury) never looked weak. If you don't want to assess specifics fine, but generalising for lots of players isn't really analysing the situation appropriately to me.
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There is no doubt whatsoever that our major problems are defensive. It was obvious even against the weak opposition encountered in the recent friendlies. No doubt the flaw is in the system being to offensive at the expense of the defense. I read once that the Brazil 1970 team (shaky defense, weak keeper) made sure of winning their games by outscoring the opposition no matter how many goals their leaky defense conceded. Unfortunately, we do not have Pele, Jarzinho and Tostao in our forward line so we cannot adopt this philosophy.
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Rodgers has spent around 70m on defensive players before this transfer window (Mignolet 10, Sakho 18, Ilori 7, Lovren 20, Moreno 12, Toure free), and we still concede a lot. You say it's because of Moreno, but all our defenders including the goalkeeper look weak making mistakes. Either we buy crap or it's the system, I would think it's the latter as for example Lovren was nowhere near what he was at Southampton. That's why this isn't a discussion or generally ever is. Skrtel hasn't looked weak. Sakho hasn't looked weak. Flanagan (before injury) never looked weak. If you don't want to assess specifics fine, but generalising for lots of players isn't really analysing the situation appropriately to me. I have seen both Sakho and Skrtl make lots of mistakes. You could add Lovren, Johnson and Mignolet in the lot, whether Flanagan was playing or not. Not sure what specifics you are talking about.
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I think its a question of work ethics, mobility and making space. Players walking, not making angles, not putting in a decent days work, etc etc etc. Poor coaching in my opinion.
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Not taking a week off werk to read that, so can anyone explain in a couple of sentences wtf that compressed version of War and Peace was all about please? 
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Not taking a week off werk to read that, so can anyone explain in a couple of sentences wtf that compressed version of War and Peace was all about please? I couldn't be arsed either but I imagine it's about why we're shitte at defending.
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It is well worth the read lads.
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Not taking a week off werk to read that, so can anyone explain in a couple of sentences wtf that compressed version of War and Peace was all about please? It's about our style of pressing being too open, conceding too much space behind our middle, and therefore conceding and yielding to counter pressure...remember your first girlfriend and you'll have it in a nutshell... 'As the lady to Don Juan swearing she'd never concede, conceded'....
Last edited by Hercules/AF 58; 30/07/15 10:07 AM.
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Boils down to having good players the season before last and crap ones last season.
Last edited by EMP; 30/07/15 10:39 AM.
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In regards to defending, I think the quality of coaching must be really poor at Liverpool. It just doesn't make sense that Lovren who has a great season at Southampton and Sakho who looked solid at PSG & is a France international just turned into bad defenders. The defence often looks like it has never played together before.
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