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I just read a post from another reds forum and it listed Liverpool Forwards that we bought over the years, last 15-20 years
Not entirely accurate but still, look at the forwards Utd signed compared to ours. Shocking
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Riedle
Dundee
Camara
Heskey
Barmby
Diouf
Baros
Pongolle
Cisse
Morientes
Crouch
Bellamy
Voronin
Babel
Keane
Ngog
Carroll
Borini
Aspas
Lambert
Ballotelli
Sucess
Torres
Suarez
Sturridge( up for debate because of injury)
Collymore
Could maybe put Crouch in there
Utd
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer
Eric Cantona
Andrew Cole
Teddy Sheringham
Dwight Yorke
Diego Forlan
Ruud Van Nistelrooy
Louis Saha
Wayne Rooney
Henrik Larsson
Carlos Tevez
Dimitar Berbatov
Javier Hernandez
Robin Van Persie
Radamel Falcao
So why are we trying to sign a lump with so many questions hanging over him. It's so obvious what we need to do. A forward nearly won us the league last year. If we have to blow all our budget on the right forward then that is what we need to do. Didn't we have God and Owen at the beginning of those years, why didn't we win it then? It has more to do with the managers we had IMO. A team is not only about strikers but the whole team or at least its spine.
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I just read a post from another reds forum and it listed Liverpool Forwards that we bought over the years, last 15-20 years
Not entirely accurate but still, look at the forwards Utd signed compared to ours. Shocking
Us
Riedle
Dundee
Camara
Heskey
Barmby
Diouf
Baros
Pongolle
Cisse
Morientes
Crouch
Bellamy
Voronin
Babel
Keane
Ngog
Carroll
Borini
Aspas
Lambert
Ballotelli
Sucess
Torres
Suarez
Sturridge( up for debate because of injury)
Collymore
Could maybe put Crouch in there
Utd
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer
Eric Cantona
Andrew Cole
Teddy Sheringham
Dwight Yorke
Diego Forlan
Ruud Van Nistelrooy
Louis Saha
Wayne Rooney
Henrik Larsson
Carlos Tevez
Dimitar Berbatov
Javier Hernandez
Robin Van Persie
Radamel Falcao
So why are we trying to sign a lump with so many questions hanging over him. It's so obvious what we need to do. A forward nearly won us the league last year. If we have to blow all our budget on the right forward then that is what we need to do. Didn't we have God and Owen at the beginning of those years, why didn't we win it then? It has more to do with the managers we had IMO. A team is not only about strikers but the whole team or at least its spine. Not everything goes to plan, but good forwards at least give you a chance. Utd won so many league for their goal scoring ability. We nearly done the same last year even with a defence that constantly leaked goals. One brilliant forward could tie this team together again and give us a chance at top 4. A new right back, a decent midfielder who does not score a lot, a backup keeper,a prospect from inter milan and a forward that looks like andy carroll II won't
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Heskey, crouch, Bellamy an cisse should all be in the success pile. Evans wanted sheringham to partner fowler, but moores wouldn't stump up the cash. Falcao, forlan and Hernandez haven't been successes for Utd. Why not include our homegrown talent in there as well - fowler and Owen.
Quite a few of these in recent times shouldn't be on the list - balotelli, borini, aspas, Carroll as they weren't given a chance and had been completely mismanaged by Rodgers. Definitely agree about Crouch, Bellamy, Balotelli, and to an extent about Borini/Carroll/Cisse. The level of abuse directed towards Mario is a disgrace in my opinion - some people appear to hate our own player as much as if he'd beaten up their wives or sisters! Give him consistent chances, he will come good. No one loses talent like he displayed not too long ago plus all human beings need faith and support.
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As someone else said you have not mentioned Fowler and Owen, 2 of the best centre forwards in our history.
Gerrard also played as a 2nd striker to Torres in his partnership.
Our problem has never been attack, it has been in goal, where we have suffered Dudek, James, Reina - who could not be arsed most of the time, Friedel, Mignolet.
We have not had a world class keeper since Clemance and Grobs imo
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As someone else said you have not mentioned Fowler and Owen, 2 of the best centre forwards in our history.
Gerrard also played as a 2nd striker to Torres in his partnership.
Our problem has never been attack, it has been in goal, where we have suffered Dudek, James, Reina - who could not be arsed most of the time, Friedel, Mignolet.
We have not had a world class keeper since Clemance and Grobs imo I am talking about the difference in forwards bought in between us and utd, not homegrown talent. As I said it is not entirely accurate as you could throw Bellamy in there to and utd have wasted money, but that is normal for any club. But a quick glance of the list will show you all you need to know about us pissing money away on crap and why they have been so successful over the last 20 years.
Last edited by paul66; 31/05/15 12:54 PM.
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Poor player purchases is the tip of the iceberg. THE BAD DECISIONS BEHIND THOSE POOR PURCHASES IS THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM. People in power who have poor football intelligence is most concerning for me.
It seems that for decades, managers and coaches and support staff and owners have relied on the dynasty of days past to endure by itself and they just were here for the ride, and the success would continue.
And here we are.
Fully agree, previous owners and management were well meaning imo, but just were’nt up to the task. Our current owners are only interested in what will get them the best ROI on capital invested. They’re not interested in the football nor in trophy’s, for them it’s all about the best and most cost effective ROI with the minimum of risk, the stadium issue being a good example along with the recruitment and wage policy. Until they scrap this policy we’re all whistling down the wind.
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Christ, we've signed some naff strikers over the years.... Looking at that list, and remembering the prices we paid for each player, makes me realise it's midfielders and defenders who have caused our demise. Riedle, Titi, Milan, Pongo, Crouch and Bellamy were all given away far too early at bargain brand prices whilst still class. Nothing has changed throughout the reigns of many Liverpool managers - BR seems hell bent on retaining Joe Allen, Lucas Leiva, Dejan Lovren and Mamadou Sakho but couldn't get rid of the likes of Aspas, Alberto, or Coates on permanent deals if he got out a prayer mat. They are all equally incompetent so WTF don't we just sack the entire lot? How can any person with a tiny bit of footballing acumen think (for example) Joe Allen is fit to play for Liverpool FC? Might seem brutal but this course of action is necessary. And it's hardly cruel in financial terms - these players would have achieved multi-millionaire status several years ago.
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It is not just the strikers. It is also the longevity of some of the players and having a nucleus of players who have racked up 200 300 400 games for the same club.
And for us that was Gerrard and Carragher and Hyypia.
For Manure you can probably name 10 or more that have that number of games under their belts.
Look at the team with Beckham Giggs Neville Neville Scholes Butt.
Dead easy to add a quality player to that like Cole, Tevez, RvN, RvP or Berbatov.
We keep looking for the magic bullet. We found one when we had Suarez and sold him.
That's not to say he was the only one. Robbie Keane scored everywhere except in a red shirt. Morientes was class before we got him. We let Owen go too eeasily.
My worry is that we need 3 more players at the level of Coutinho or Sturridge at his peak now in order to move up a level.
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