KopTalk.com Forums Football Liverpool FC Forum mike gordon the real man with power at LFC

In those failed five years, we've nearly won a league title, seen a 200% valuation increase on the purchase of the club, challenged to the last four of 4 trophies, and been able to qualify for the CL for the first time since Benitez' penultimate year. To them? Are they making us fall behind?

One person blames FSG, the next the committee, the next Gordon, the next BR. I mean come off it. It's clear that we've not had a good season. It's clear tempers raised because of our end of season form, but unlike Dalglish or Hodgson, he still managed to keep the club garnering as many points as our rivals for fourth place in that baffling end of season capitulation.

Blame the committee, but what about the players?
Blame FSG, but the club is actually worth a hell of a lot more and has had investment.
Blame BR, but he got the team to within a whisker of that elusive title.
Blame Gordon, but most have only just found out about the guy, despite enough articles on him in years preceding.

This oversimplification is a joke to me.

Your constant attempts to muddy the waters doesn't hide the fact that we had an awful season.

You seem to suggest that as no one individual is to blame then it's best to blame no one.

No amount of stats or excuses will hide the fact that we are now a laughing stock.

Our manager and players made their names off the back of Luis Suarez last season. This season when they were without him, we discovered their real worth.

5 years on have we a better team at the end of 2014/15?

The side is a shambles and needs so many moved on that it will be almost impossible to have any cohesion or understanding for the best part of next season.

It's 3 years ago all over again with a massive churn of personnel. Nowhere can you tell me that that brings success.
Chelsea add real quality little by little. Arsenal (probably our closest model) do the same on a tighter budget.

As for 'the blame game' most appear to see a collective failure and the structure and lack of transparency (which maybe deliberate) makes it almost impossible to narrow down further.

As for Gordon he is part of FSG (who get blamed as custodians of this club regularly) where has he run and cut his teeth at a championship Leeds or an AC Milan or a PSG to suggest he knows anything to inspire the slightest confidence he knows what he is doing?

Seems to be common place in the States...

..11/9 anyone?

Muddy the water? I have pointed out that despite the reluctance of seeing positives, we were the joint 4th team for points in the second half of the season.

I think there is shared blame. I think BR has got more stick for his work than congratulations. Most on here barely give him any credit for the season before this. That IS a bigger joke than most on here claim he is.

Laughing Stock? We had a terrible last game of the season. Man Utd got 5 points from the last 18... SAME AS US. Are they a laughing stock too? They crumbled at the end just like us.

Their real worth? We lost 50 goals and couldn't replace them. By Christmas our chances of even getting near fourth were in shambles. Then we went on a title chasing run of form, again, and fell short at the end, AGAIN.

The only thing we can from moving him on is having players a manager might not like, a new change of formation, and a little more experience of the situations, which is why Klopp, and perhaps De Boer, are our only realistic options without refreshing 3 years work...

We have a much younger developing squad. We have replaced over-paid underperformers with a bigger squad, with some underperforming top talent, some young and squad talent with great potential.

The side is not in shambles. This is still the remnants of the squad that finished 2nd. We lost goals and didn't replace them well enough.

We went through a run of form that had 16 goals conceded in 19 games that drew 40 points. That was this season. That began with a loss away to Palace, and ended with the away loss to Utd.

As I said last summer. It was so important to build the squad because now we can cut and make alterations when opportunities arise, rather than struggle to build and equip at the same time. We have value in the squad that can be sacrificed.

The solution for collective failure has been fire the lot of them. That's not really addressing anything, and its hoping for better than what we've got. We are a club that is attractive to young talent, by choice, and we have, like it or not, been proven to have developed a lot since BR took over. All the last 8 games did is prove that we still have work to do, we're not title-contenders, and we need to find consistency that isn't fuelled solely by form. When we lost after a run, we take several games to turn it around.

Mike Gordon is clearly open for criticism, when he know what he has actually done and contributed to. At the moment, that is far from legitimately discussed.

I'm not saying people on here don't have the club at heart, but it gets old hearing the same old thing when things go wrong. Most climbed on the wave of success from last season and didn't see the difficulties this season could bring. A bit of a more honest assessment of where the club is and how it is developing is more important than just blaspheming anything you just don't agree with.

Unfortunately the premier league lasts all season.

He was hailed by many on here last season and it went to his head. If he is to be praised for last season then he should be rightly criticised for this season.

Absolute laughing stock. The fact that you are comparing united's pathetic form with ours as if it is something to be commended shows how weak your argument is, they were sh1t and we still couldn't finish above them. We crumbled against Villa and we were routed by the might Palace and Stoke. On top of that we took 11 points from our last 10 games and lost 12 games through the league season.

The world's first title chasing run of form that resulted in a 6th place finish.

He is out of his depth and he was found out once he lost his only world class player. He was given £100m to replace him and failed miserably.

If you can't look beyond the end result, you have spoken for all you stand for. No point discussing it then.

And if you cannot accept that your stats do NOT change the fact that we were awful this season (despite our title winning run of form God help me!) then there is no point trying to persuade you otherwise.

I assume you will be joining some of the others on here on our open top bus journey through the city to celebrate our treble we ALMOST won.

Stats prove a lot. I've not said anything other than us having a bad season, my point, is analyse everything, not just overview in the hope that you know it all because its the thinnest layer of information you wish to assess.