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As I've said since christmas, Rodgers will stay into next year. FSG's decision makers are smart people and getting Liverpool to the top table isn't on their priority list. Anfield will still get filled up, sponsorship will still be the same, blah blah blah even though we lost 6-1 to Stoke, so quite rightly they won't base a judgement on a defeat that didn't mean anything. Everything is perfectly on course for them, they care about the money. That can't be any disputing that if they keep Rodgers, as he obviously deserves the boot.
A bit of a contradiction there - that defeat cost the club £1.4m.
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As I've said since christmas, Rodgers will stay into next year. FSG's decision makers are smart people and getting Liverpool to the top table isn't on their priority list. Anfield will still get filled up, sponsorship will still be the same, blah blah blah even though we lost 6-1 to Stoke, so quite rightly they won't base a judgement on a defeat that didn't mean anything. Everything is perfectly on course for them, they care about the money. That can't be any disputing that if they keep Rodgers, as he obviously deserves the boot.
A bit of a contradiction there - that defeat cost the club £1.4m. Not really, a million lost on one place in the table means naff all. So they put a million less in the 10s of millions they have of transfer budget every year. Think you need to go over that one again mate.
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I checked and you know it as I told you myself yesterday that we were 5th not 4th as goal difference does count in the EPL. You either made a mistake by saying 4th or were trying to mislead people. Also, when are you updating your graph? Would be interested to know how well we are progressing under Rodgers. Mislead? On points, 4th. That is not intentionally misleading. That is a truth. You can point out we're 5th on goal difference, but it means little based on our end of season form. It is only you that thinks it is. If the only thing you want it is a graph, do it yourself.
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You honestly though Southampton was going to finish in the Top 6 this season?
Also we brought in plenty of personnel the season before yet we managed to finish second.
If football was as simple as you suggest then what is the point of even playing. They should just see who spends the most and then award the league places accordingly.
Accepting 5th or 6th because that is where we are on the financial table shows an awful lack of ambition.
I don't think Palace, Hull, Aston Villa, Stoke or West Ham were fazed by the fact that we were the 5th biggest spenders in the league when they beat us this season.
Put whatever spin you like on it but our final position this season was unacceptable and the manager is ultimately responsible for results.
Why is everyone pretending to be surprised at us coming 6th? We finished 2nd last season and added over 100 million worth of talent to the team. We should have made top 4 with relative ease. We knew that Suarez wanted out of the club for over a year, plans should have been in place for his replacement. Rodgers brought in another hot-head in Balotelli, who should have been good for 20+ goals, only for Rodgers not to adapt his tactics to accommodate Mario and instead left him isolated or left on the bench. Lambert was also brought in for cover, a guy who is more than capable of scoring 10 goals; again he gets left on the bench or gets insulting 3 minute cameo's, Origi a player Rodgers describes as potentially World Class, gets bought for 10 million, only to be sent back out on loan. We knew that Gerrard was approaching the end of his contract, plans should have been in place to find a replacement. Rodgers brought in Lallana, only to not play him for half a season. Lucas has injury issues, we addressed that by signing Can; only for Rodgers to then play him out of position at Right back or in central defence, that was after deciding not to play him for large periods of the season. Brendan decides that his tactics weren't to blame for last seasons defensive mishaps, so throws another 20 million down the drain on a defender who had half a good season; before taking pot shots at the fans who told him to get a defensive minded coach, sends Coates, Ilori, Wisdom etc out on loan, rather than giving them a chance. The committee decide to bring in another Don Balon listed youngster who is expected to do big things in the game, Rodgers decides to let him rot on the bench, before playing him out of position, which then sets Markovic's career back another year. Borini; a player who scored 10 goals last season and helped keep Sunderland in the league doesn't get a look in, despite the fact that he can play as a left winger or a striker, an area we were [oops] in. Aspas and Alberto, 2 of Rodgers Spanish signings from the season before are sent out on loan and never given a chance. We are 6th because of Rodgers, another manager would have done much better with this team. My point is that the quality of your players against that of your competitors determines more or less where you finish in a league table. When you look at our signings and the players available to us this season and compare that to the signings and the players available to our competitors it should be fairly obvious where we would finish. Imo, in any reasonable discussion between football people that point shouldn’t really be a point of dispute. What then should we be discussing? again imo the discussion should be centred on recruitment that resulted in us signing so many players in successive windows that are not up to the job. Given the recruitment structures and policies including fee and wage restrictions laid down by FSG it is my contention that the spending of 212m on around 20 prospective players giving an average fee of about 12m each as well as wage restrictions is the root cause of the mediocrity that now afflicts us. I don’t dispute that manager hunting is great fun, what I do dispute is whether or not the manager is the right prey in our situation. Laughed at that, football people, can you get a qualification that makes you a football person? We have been guessing all along about restrictions and committees when it comes to transfers (none of us know for definite) but it wasn't an issue last season when we finished second. Funny that. The root cause of our mediocrity is that we buy crap players and then compound that error by playing them in strange positions. We started our last game of the season with 7 midfielders in our starting 11 and no forwards. That has nothing to do with FSG, that is BR trying to be smart and failing miserably yet again. I'm sorry, Rodgers has to go if we are to have any chance of progressing.
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The club has been chucking money at transfers for quite a while now, but never quite enough. The times when they have spent big it has been spent poorly.
We can gatecrash the top 4 in one of 2 ways:
1) outspend our rivals and risk breaching FFP (the rules will change soon so that could mean anything?!!)
2) maintain the same level of spending but get someone else to spend it more wisely
Doing the same thing, (i.e. giving hundreds of millions to Rodgers and the committee) will unsurprisingly yield the same results. It's called repeating your mistakes, and it's utter madness.
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The club has been chucking money at transfers for quite a while now, but never quite enough. The times when they have spent big it has been spent poorly.
We can gatecrash the top 4 in one of 2 ways:
1) outspend our rivals and risk breaching FFP (the rules will change soon so that could mean anything?!!)
2) maintain the same level of spending but get someone else to spend it more wisely
Doing the same thing, (i.e. giving hundreds of millions to Rodgers and the committee) will unsurprisingly yield the same results. It's called repeating your mistakes, and it's utter madness.
Yip that's pretty much spot on.
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What infuriates me is it's ok to spend £45 million on a Lallana and Lovren and wages of about what £170k a week combined, yet £35 million on one real top player and a salary of maybe £180-£200k a week is off limits! If we repeat this formula we could have had 4 or 5 great players instead of a team of bangers.
We all speculate on this because of a lack of transparency but surely there has to be one sharp tool in the shed who sees the madness in this?
I am baffled by it I really am and it's been going on rinse and repeat more or less for 5 years!
It's the stuff of Loony Tunes.
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You honestly though Southampton was going to finish in the Top 6 this season?
Also we brought in plenty of personnel the season before yet we managed to finish second.
If football was as simple as you suggest then what is the point of even playing. They should just see who spends the most and then award the league places accordingly.
Accepting 5th or 6th because that is where we are on the financial table shows an awful lack of ambition.
I don't think Palace, Hull, Aston Villa, Stoke or West Ham were fazed by the fact that we were the 5th biggest spenders in the league when they beat us this season.
Put whatever spin you like on it but our final position this season was unacceptable and the manager is ultimately responsible for results.
Why is everyone pretending to be surprised at us coming 6th? We finished 2nd last season and added over 100 million worth of talent to the team. We should have made top 4 with relative ease. We knew that Suarez wanted out of the club for over a year, plans should have been in place for his replacement. Rodgers brought in another hot-head in Balotelli, who should have been good for 20+ goals, only for Rodgers not to adapt his tactics to accommodate Mario and instead left him isolated or left on the bench. Lambert was also brought in for cover, a guy who is more than capable of scoring 10 goals; again he gets left on the bench or gets insulting 3 minute cameo's, Origi a player Rodgers describes as potentially World Class, gets bought for 10 million, only to be sent back out on loan. We knew that Gerrard was approaching the end of his contract, plans should have been in place to find a replacement. Rodgers brought in Lallana, only to not play him for half a season. Lucas has injury issues, we addressed that by signing Can; only for Rodgers to then play him out of position at Right back or in central defence, that was after deciding not to play him for large periods of the season. Brendan decides that his tactics weren't to blame for last seasons defensive mishaps, so throws another 20 million down the drain on a defender who had half a good season; before taking pot shots at the fans who told him to get a defensive minded coach, sends Coates, Ilori, Wisdom etc out on loan, rather than giving them a chance. The committee decide to bring in another Don Balon listed youngster who is expected to do big things in the game, Rodgers decides to let him rot on the bench, before playing him out of position, which then sets Markovic's career back another year. Borini; a player who scored 10 goals last season and helped keep Sunderland in the league doesn't get a look in, despite the fact that he can play as a left winger or a striker, an area we were [oops] in. Aspas and Alberto, 2 of Rodgers Spanish signings from the season before are sent out on loan and never given a chance. We are 6th because of Rodgers, another manager would have done much better with this team. My point is that the quality of your players against that of your competitors determines more or less where you finish in a league table. When you look at our signings and the players available to us this season and compare that to the signings and the players available to our competitors it should be fairly obvious where we would finish. Imo, in any reasonable discussion between football people that point shouldn’t really be a point of dispute. What then should we be discussing? again imo the discussion should be centred on recruitment that resulted in us signing so many players in successive windows that are not up to the job. Given the recruitment structures and policies including fee and wage restrictions laid down by FSG it is my contention that the spending of 212m on around 20 prospective players giving an average fee of about 12m each as well as wage restrictions is the root cause of the mediocrity that now afflicts us. I don’t dispute that manager hunting is great fun, what I do dispute is whether or not the manager is the right prey in our situation. Laughed at that, football people, can you get a qualification that makes you a football person? We have been guessing all along about restrictions and committees when it comes to transfers (none of us know for definite) but it wasn't an issue last season when we finished second. Funny that. The root cause of our mediocrity is that we buy crap players and then compound that error by playing them in strange positions. We started our last game of the season with 7 midfielders in our starting 11 and no forwards. That has nothing to do with FSG, that is BR trying to be smart and failing miserably yet again. I'm sorry, Rodgers has to go if we are to have any chance of progressing. We finished 2nd largely because we had better players playing than we did this year and that makes my point. We had Suarez and we had Sturridge. It all comes back to the quality of players any manager has available.
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I checked and you know it as I told you myself yesterday that we were 5th not 4th as goal difference does count in the EPL. You either made a mistake by saying 4th or were trying to mislead people. Also, when are you updating your graph? Would be interested to know how well we are progressing under Rodgers. Mislead? On points, 4th. That is not intentionally misleading. That is a truth. You can point out we're 5th on goal difference, but it means little based on our end of season form. It is only you that thinks it is. If the only thing you want it is a graph, do it yourself. Last time I checked, the ranking in the EPL is based on both points and goal difference and I don't need a graph to know that we have regressed.
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The club has been chucking money at transfers for quite a while now, but never quite enough. The times when they have spent big it has been spent poorly.
We can gatecrash the top 4 in one of 2 ways:
1) outspend our rivals and risk breaching FFP (the rules will change soon so that could mean anything?!!)
2) maintain the same level of spending but get someone else to spend it more wisely
Doing the same thing, (i.e. giving hundreds of millions to Rodgers and the committee) will unsurprisingly yield the same results. It's called repeating your mistakes, and it's utter madness.
Bang on.
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