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Originally Posted By: RedsforChampions
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Originally Posted By: wilkij1975
In his first stint at Chelsea, he took a team that finished second the year before to first with reasonably heavey investment. Maybe Ranieri would have too?


Again this is a massive hypothetical, let's go on what actually happened, many managers have had tonnes of money and failed to win anything. Mou did it straight away in a highly competitive league. Fantastic achievement that no one can take anything away from.

Originally Posted By: wilkij1975
Inter had won the league 3 times in a row when he took over and he just continued that. IIRC it was around the time juve got dumped for match fixing too so they might have been light on competition? He won the ECL so maybe some credit for that even though it was the worst final I remember watching apart from when Chelsea won it.


Yes it was a terrible game for a neutral but MAYBE he deserves credit for winning a champions league???? Are you kidding me? He deserves incredible credit, how many great teams and managers have failed to do that playing whatever kind of football you want. And he broke a record here being the first Italian team EVER (think how many great Italian club sides there have been in the past) to win the treble.

Originally Posted By: wilkij1975
Real, for me he should've done better if he's the 'special one'. One title in three isn't that good for Real and their spending power. yes they had Barca to contend with but he's the 'special one'!


Well the 'special one' won a title in record breaking style with a record points tally ending a period of Barca supremacy over them and becoming one of very few managers to win all 3 major football leagues. How many great Barca and Real sides have their been (Barca was one of them at the time) and Mou won with a record points tally unequalled by any of them. That's pretty 'special'.

Originally Posted By: wilkij1975
And now chavs again where he failed miserably last year, spent well as they can do and looks like he'll win the title. Big deal with what he has at his disposal.


Many teams spend far more and don't win titles under plenty of managers. Chelsea didn't even spend THAT much and lit the league up for half a season and won the title at a canter. Now this I agree isn't his finest year but again it's a steady achievement.

Originally Posted By: wilkij1975
The only thing I give him credit for is the ECL win at Porto. But even then their semi against Utd was one of the worst displays of cynical football I've ever seen!


Well this says it all mate, you're entitled to your opinion and everything but the whole post is about your unexplainable personal feelings as opposed to the cold hard facts of what he has achieved.


Not everybody would understand your post and agree with it, funny enough. He is not called the special one for nothing and your posts shows why actually.


Took your time finding this one! Remember what I said about you thinking you're superior the other day? Just because my opinion differs from yours doesn't mean you're better and understand more than me or anyone else. I'm not saying I'm right, it's just my opinion that I e held for years. Anyway, I'm not wasting anymore time fecking Maureen.

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Originally Posted By: RedsforChampions
Originally Posted By: bigredkop
Originally Posted By: wilkij1975
In his first stint at Chelsea, he took a team that finished second the year before to first with reasonably heavey investment. Maybe Ranieri would have too?


Again this is a massive hypothetical, let's go on what actually happened, many managers have had tonnes of money and failed to win anything. Mou did it straight away in a highly competitive league. Fantastic achievement that no one can take anything away from.

Originally Posted By: wilkij1975
Inter had won the league 3 times in a row when he took over and he just continued that. IIRC it was around the time juve got dumped for match fixing too so they might have been light on competition? He won the ECL so maybe some credit for that even though it was the worst final I remember watching apart from when Chelsea won it.


Yes it was a terrible game for a neutral but MAYBE he deserves credit for winning a champions league???? Are you kidding me? He deserves incredible credit, how many great teams and managers have failed to do that playing whatever kind of football you want. And he broke a record here being the first Italian team EVER (think how many great Italian club sides there have been in the past) to win the treble.

Originally Posted By: wilkij1975
Real, for me he should've done better if he's the 'special one'. One title in three isn't that good for Real and their spending power. yes they had Barca to contend with but he's the 'special one'!


Well the 'special one' won a title in record breaking style with a record points tally ending a period of Barca supremacy over them and becoming one of very few managers to win all 3 major football leagues. How many great Barca and Real sides have their been (Barca was one of them at the time) and Mou won with a record points tally unequalled by any of them. That's pretty 'special'.

Originally Posted By: wilkij1975
And now chavs again where he failed miserably last year, spent well as they can do and looks like he'll win the title. Big deal with what he has at his disposal.


Many teams spend far more and don't win titles under plenty of managers. Chelsea didn't even spend THAT much and lit the league up for half a season and won the title at a canter. Now this I agree isn't his finest year but again it's a steady achievement.

Originally Posted By: wilkij1975
The only thing I give him credit for is the ECL win at Porto. But even then their semi against Utd was one of the worst displays of cynical football I've ever seen!


Well this says it all mate, you're entitled to your opinion and everything but the whole post is about your unexplainable personal feelings as opposed to the cold hard facts of what he has achieved.


Not everybody would understand your post and agree with it, funny enough. He is not called the special one for nothing and your posts shows why actually.


True. Perfect example of the saying "If you give a man enough rope he will hang himself. "

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Why am I hanging myself?? It's just my opinion and, as I've said, it's one I've had for years. Not saying I'm right or wrong. I just don't get the man and not going to join in the love in I'm afraid.

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Originally Posted By: wilkij1975
Why am I hanging myself?? It's just my opinion and, as I've said, it's one I've had for years. Not saying I'm right or wrong. I just don't get the man and not going to join in the love in I'm afraid.


Why does it have to be a love in?

It's just an honest assessment of the man's achievements.

You don't have to like him to acknowledge his achievements.

Panning a manager as you mention his six trophies wins makes a complete nonsense of your argument.

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Originally Posted By: wilkij1975
Originally Posted By: RedsforChampions
Originally Posted By: bigredkop
Originally Posted By: wilkij1975
In his first stint at Chelsea, he took a team that finished second the year before to first with reasonably heavey investment. Maybe Ranieri would have too?


Again this is a massive hypothetical, let's go on what actually happened, many managers have had tonnes of money and failed to win anything. Mou did it straight away in a highly competitive league. Fantastic achievement that no one can take anything away from.

Originally Posted By: wilkij1975
Inter had won the league 3 times in a row when he took over and he just continued that. IIRC it was around the time juve got dumped for match fixing too so they might have been light on competition? He won the ECL so maybe some credit for that even though it was the worst final I remember watching apart from when Chelsea won it.


Yes it was a terrible game for a neutral but MAYBE he deserves credit for winning a champions league???? Are you kidding me? He deserves incredible credit, how many great teams and managers have failed to do that playing whatever kind of football you want. And he broke a record here being the first Italian team EVER (think how many great Italian club sides there have been in the past) to win the treble.

Originally Posted By: wilkij1975
Real, for me he should've done better if he's the 'special one'. One title in three isn't that good for Real and their spending power. yes they had Barca to contend with but he's the 'special one'!


Well the 'special one' won a title in record breaking style with a record points tally ending a period of Barca supremacy over them and becoming one of very few managers to win all 3 major football leagues. How many great Barca and Real sides have their been (Barca was one of them at the time) and Mou won with a record points tally unequalled by any of them. That's pretty 'special'.

Originally Posted By: wilkij1975
And now chavs again where he failed miserably last year, spent well as they can do and looks like he'll win the title. Big deal with what he has at his disposal.


Many teams spend far more and don't win titles under plenty of managers. Chelsea didn't even spend THAT much and lit the league up for half a season and won the title at a canter. Now this I agree isn't his finest year but again it's a steady achievement.

Originally Posted By: wilkij1975
The only thing I give him credit for is the ECL win at Porto. But even then their semi against Utd was one of the worst displays of cynical football I've ever seen!


Well this says it all mate, you're entitled to your opinion and everything but the whole post is about your unexplainable personal feelings as opposed to the cold hard facts of what he has achieved.


Not everybody would understand your post and agree with it, funny enough. He is not called the special one for nothing and your posts shows why actually.


Took your time finding this one! Remember what I said about you thinking you're superior the other day? Just because my opinion differs from yours doesn't mean you're better and understand more than me or anyone else. I'm not saying I'm right, it's just my opinion that I e held for years. Anyway, I'm not wasting anymore time fecking Maureen.


Your opinion doesn't differ from only mine but the majority of people who watch and understand football. I wonder who thinks he is superior here. We'll see whether you'll stop wasting anymore time or not.

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I couldn't give a toss who my opinion differs from really. I can't and am not denying what he's won but he's no special one. He's not built a thing in his career and has had all the riches he needed to win what he has. Big deal.

Now stop wasting my time with this cock womble!

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Originally Posted By: wilkij1975
I couldn't give a toss who my opinion differs from really. I can't and am not denying what he's won but he's no special one. He's not built a thing in his career and has had all the riches he needed to win what he has. Big deal.

Now stop wasting my time with this cock womble!


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I believe Cock Womble has won the argument MrWilks ..that was special.


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I wasn't calling anyone on here a cock womble by the way. That was for Maureen so sorry if it looked like it was aimed at you chaps.

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Originally Posted By: wilkij1975
I wasn't calling anyone on here a cock womble by the way. That was for Maureen so sorry if it looked like it was aimed at you chaps.


You would have been forgiven for originality. grin

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