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Originally Posted By: wilkij1975
Chelsea are doing no more than what they SHOULD be doing considering the investment there over the years. And there's no one that can change my opinion on Maureen. Rich mans Allardyce is all he is and all he will ever be.


Many managers have had as much money as him, he does it every time and they don't. One of the best managers ever and your personal feelings for him don't change the irrefutable evidence that he's gone and done it in different countries with different clubs and achieved record breaking success. Rich mans Allardyce is a nice sound bite but doesn't hold up under any kind of scrutiny.

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Just my opinion. All the teams he's done it at though are ready made, apart from Porto but they are always up there in Portugal. As much as I hate Ferguson, I have a huge amount of respect for what he did and built there. He wasn't given anything (except maybe by the refs grin) and for me is why Maureen can't hold a candle to him.

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I like your opinion Wilki,even though I don't agree with it all,imo he ain't no Fergie.


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Originally Posted By: wilkij1975
Just my opinion. All the teams he's done it at though are ready made, apart from Porto but they are always up there in Portugal. As much as I hate Ferguson, I have a huge amount of respect for what he did and built there. He wasn't given anything (except maybe by the refs grin) and for me is why Maureen can't hold a candle to him.


Whom the best is is certainly subjective, and I would have to agree with you Fergie for now slightly edges him. But if mou can win two more Champs league I believe he will massively eclipse Ferguson, who only succeeded in one major league. On the other point, Mou may have taken over other teams, but he got more than anyone else could out of them and improved them to break more records, which is something others can't claim.

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In his first stint at Chelsea, he took a team that finished second the year before to first with reasonably heavey investment. Maybe Ranieri would have too?

Inter had won the league 3 times in a row when he took over and he just continued that. IIRC it was around the time juve got dumped for match fixing too so they might have been light on competition? He won the ECL so maybe some credit for that even though it was the worst final I remember watching apart from when Chelsea won it.

Real, for me he should've done better if he's the 'special one'. One title in three isn't that good for Real and their spending power. yes they had Barca to contend with but he's the 'special one'!

And now chavs again where he failed miserably last year, spent well as they can do and looks like he'll win the title. Big deal with what he has at his disposal.

The only thing I give him credit for is the ECL win at Porto. But even then their semi against Utd was one of the worst displays of cynical football I've ever seen!

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Originally Posted By: wilkij1975
In his first stint at Chelsea, he took a team that finished second the year before to first with reasonably heavey investment. Maybe Ranieri would have too?

Inter had won the league 3 times in a row when he took over and he just continued that. IIRC it was around the time juve got dumped for match fixing too so they might have been light on competition? He won the ECL so maybe some credit for that even though it was the worst final I remember watching apart from when Chelsea won it.

Real, for me he should've done better if he's the 'special one'. One title in three isn't that good for Real and their spending power. yes they had Barca to contend with but he's the 'special one'!

And now chavs again where he failed miserably last year, spent well as they can do and looks like he'll win the title. Big deal with what he has at his disposal.

The only thing I give him credit for is the ECL win at Porto. But even then their semi against Utd was one of the worst displays of cynical football I've ever seen!


You condemn Maureen as you list his four league title and two CL triumphs in the same post.

Football and football fans are mad.

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Originally Posted By: wilkij1975
In his first stint at Chelsea, he took a team that finished second the year before to first with reasonably heavey investment. Maybe Ranieri would have too?

Inter had won the league 3 times in a row when he took over and he just continued that. IIRC it was around the time juve got dumped for match fixing too so they might have been light on competition? He won the ECL so maybe some credit for that even though it was the worst final I remember watching apart from when Chelsea won it.

Real, for me he should've done better if he's the 'special one'. One title in three isn't that good for Real and their spending power. yes they had Barca to contend with but he's the 'special one'!

And now chavs again where he failed miserably last year, spent well as they can do and looks like he'll win the title. Big deal with what he has at his disposal.

The only thing I give him credit for is the ECL win at Porto. But even then their semi against Utd was one of the worst displays of cynical football I've ever seen!


You condemn Maureen as you list his four league title and two CL triumphs in the same post.

Football and football fans are mad.


My point s that he has always taken over successful teams, never built anything.

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Originally Posted By: wilkij1975
In his first stint at Chelsea, he took a team that finished second the year before to first with reasonably heavey investment. Maybe Ranieri would have too?


Again this is a massive hypothetical, let's go on what actually happened, many managers have had tonnes of money and failed to win anything. Mou did it straight away in a highly competitive league. Fantastic achievement that no one can take anything away from.

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Inter had won the league 3 times in a row when he took over and he just continued that. IIRC it was around the time juve got dumped for match fixing too so they might have been light on competition? He won the ECL so maybe some credit for that even though it was the worst final I remember watching apart from when Chelsea won it.


Yes it was a terrible game for a neutral but MAYBE he deserves credit for winning a champions league???? Are you kidding me? He deserves incredible credit, how many great teams and managers have failed to do that playing whatever kind of football you want. And he broke a record here being the first Italian team EVER (think how many great Italian club sides there have been in the past) to win the treble.

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Real, for me he should've done better if he's the 'special one'. One title in three isn't that good for Real and their spending power. yes they had Barca to contend with but he's the 'special one'!


Well the 'special one' won a title in record breaking style with a record points tally ending a period of Barca supremacy over them and becoming one of very few managers to win all 3 major football leagues. How many great Barca and Real sides have their been (Barca was one of them at the time) and Mou won with a record points tally unequalled by any of them. That's pretty 'special'.

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And now chavs again where he failed miserably last year, spent well as they can do and looks like he'll win the title. Big deal with what he has at his disposal.


Many teams spend far more and don't win titles under plenty of managers. Chelsea didn't even spend THAT much and lit the league up for half a season and won the title at a canter. Now this I agree isn't his finest year but again it's a steady achievement.

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The only thing I give him credit for is the ECL win at Porto. But even then their semi against Utd was one of the worst displays of cynical football I've ever seen!


Well this says it all mate, you're entitled to your opinion and everything but the whole post is about your unexplainable personal feelings as opposed to the cold hard facts of what he has achieved.

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Like I said, it's just my opinion of him and what he's achieved and how I see it. I'm sorry I'm not a Maureen worshipper.

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Originally Posted By: wilkij1975
Like I said, it's just my opinion of him and what he's achieved and how I see it. I'm sorry I'm not a Maureen worshipper.


No, but you are a big fan of BR and he has won bugger all.

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