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There seems to be an acceptance Manchester United are a bigger club than liverpool and always will be that's not something I can bring myself to countenance which I why I was gutted when DIC pulled out and we got gillet and hicks and John Henry who are pretty much as bad as each other just the latter is more sly and cunning about it. Unless something fundamental changes over the running of the club we can talk tactics managers and hopeful signing till we are blue in the face United will still be ahead of us. And let's not forget they are as capable of bringing youngsters though or buying bargains that become superstars just as much as we are. Surely you don't support a team based on their perceived 'size'? Utd ARE a bigger club but I don't see why that should bother a fan(?). As for DIC, they wouldn't be in charge now even if their deal did go through. Part of their proposal to buy the club included a 7yr exit strategy therefore, profit would have been their sole focus until we were passed off to the highest bidder. A great business model for the owners but not necessarily for the club. Whether it be DIC, FSG, H&G or A.N.Other, we would still be governed by financial fair play so I don't think things would be much different now anyway. People criticise FSG for 'not knowing much about football' but that isn't part of their role. In order for us to be competitive, FSG's role is to bring in new sponsorship and partner agreements giving us the additional revenue we need for better players. The same goes for any club owner now that they can't chuck their own cash around and buy their way to the title. FSG is also responsible of making the appointments of the key personnel like the manager or CEO which should make sure that the team keeps on progressing which is not the case with roller coaster Rodgers.
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So united supporters should be dancing around the place coz they're third, potentially ELEVEN points off the top? Wouldn't that point to THEIR expectations being managed? How desperate can someone grasp for straws?!? They have great momentum, have gone from nowhere to 3rd, and look set to heavily invest again in the Summer, with a manager who has done it at big levels. Utd fans should be dancing around the place because they are demonstrating progress. They know they aren't going to win the title next year, but they're all set to return to the top table. We are falling further off it, despite having had an absolutely fantastic opportunity to cement our hold on a top 4 spot.
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So united supporters should be dancing around the place coz they're third, potentially ELEVEN points off the top? Wouldn't that point to THEIR expectations being managed? How desperate can someone grasp for straws?!? They have great momentum, have gone from nowhere to 3rd, and look set to heavily invest again in the Summer, with a manager who has done it at big levels. Utd fans should be dancing around the place because they are demonstrating progress. They know they aren't going to win the title next year, but they're all set to return to the top table. We are falling further off it, despite having had an absolutely fantastic opportunity to cement our hold on a top 4 spot. Well said, progress brings hope and gets you in a virtuous circle. We fcuked up badly over last season.
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So united supporters should be dancing around the place coz they're third, potentially ELEVEN points off the top? Wouldn't that point to THEIR expectations being managed? How desperate can someone grasp for straws?!? They have great momentum, have gone from nowhere to 3rd, and look set to heavily invest again in the Summer, with a manager who has done it at big levels. Utd fans should be dancing around the place because they are demonstrating progress. They know they aren't going to win the title next year, but they're all set to return to the top table. We are falling further off it, despite having had an absolutely fantastic opportunity to cement our hold on a top 4 spot. Utd are where we were last year, only we finished a little higher - we also came from nowhere and gave a lot of fans false hope of a new dawn. Utd have climbed the table because they have played a lot less games than their rivals. Let's see how they do with CL football, decent cup runs, and a competitive campaign next season before we start worrying about them again. Their squad is no better than ours - they've just had a lighter workload.
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So united supporters should be dancing around the place coz they're third, potentially ELEVEN points off the top? Wouldn't that point to THEIR expectations being managed? How desperate can someone grasp for straws?!? They have great momentum, have gone from nowhere to 3rd, and look set to heavily invest again in the Summer, with a manager who has done it at big levels. Utd fans should be dancing around the place because they are demonstrating progress. They know they aren't going to win the title next year, but they're all set to return to the top table. We are falling further off it, despite having had an absolutely fantastic opportunity to cement our hold on a top 4 spot. Utd are where we were last year, only we finished a little higher - we also came from nowhere and gave a lot of fans false hope of a new dawn. Utd have climbed the table because they have played a lot less games than their rivals. Let's see how they do with CL football, decent cup runs, and a competitive campaign next season before we start worrying about them again. Their squad is no better than ours - they've just had a lighter workload. Are you serious? This is the worst Liverpool squad I have ever seen.
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There seems to be an acceptance Manchester United are a bigger club than liverpool and always will be that's not something I can bring myself to countenance which I why I was gutted when DIC pulled out and we got gillet and hicks and John Henry who are pretty much as bad as each other just the latter is more sly and cunning about it. Unless something fundamental changes over the running of the club we can talk tactics managers and hopeful signing till we are blue in the face United will still be ahead of us. And let's not forget they are as capable of bringing youngsters though or buying bargains that become superstars just as much as we are. Surely you don't support a team based on their perceived 'size'? Utd ARE a bigger club but I don't see why that should bother a fan(?). As for DIC, they wouldn't be in charge now even if their deal did go through. Part of their proposal to buy the club included a 7yr exit strategy therefore, profit would have been their sole focus until we were passed off to the highest bidder. A great business model for the owners but not necessarily for the club. Whether it be DIC, FSG, H&G or A.N.Other, we would still be governed by financial fair play so I don't think things would be much different now anyway. People criticise FSG for 'not knowing much about football' but that isn't part of their role. In order for us to be competitive, FSG's role is to bring in new sponsorship and partner agreements giving us the additional revenue we need for better players. The same goes for any club owner now that they can't chuck their own cash around and buy their way to the title. My first trip to anfield to support liverpool was in 1963 against Coventry City. At that time and right up to the early 1990's liverpool were as big as Man United if not bigger my point is I would like to change that what liverpool fan would not? With FSG we know for sure they are not up to the job resource wise it's fine getting sponsoshio deals but unless we better our rivals in income all we are doing is maintaining our second rate position
IF YOU WANT TO BE HEARD SPEAK SOFTLY - BOB PAISLEY
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There seems to be an acceptance Manchester United are a bigger club than liverpool and always will be that's not something I can bring myself to countenance which I why I was gutted when DIC pulled out and we got gillet and hicks and John Henry who are pretty much as bad as each other just the latter is more sly and cunning about it. Unless something fundamental changes over the running of the club we can talk tactics managers and hopeful signing till we are blue in the face United will still be ahead of us. And let's not forget they are as capable of bringing youngsters though or buying bargains that become superstars just as much as we are. Surely you don't support a team based on their perceived 'size'? Utd ARE a bigger club but I don't see why that should bother a fan(?). As for DIC, they wouldn't be in charge now even if their deal did go through. Part of their proposal to buy the club included a 7yr exit strategy therefore, profit would have been their sole focus until we were passed off to the highest bidder. A great business model for the owners but not necessarily for the club. Whether it be DIC, FSG, H&G or A.N.Other, we would still be governed by financial fair play so I don't think things would be much different now anyway. People criticise FSG for 'not knowing much about football' but that isn't part of their role. In order for us to be competitive, FSG's role is to bring in new sponsorship and partner agreements giving us the additional revenue we need for better players. The same goes for any club owner now that they can't chuck their own cash around and buy their way to the title. My first trip to anfield to support liverpool was in 1963 against Coventry City. At that time and right up to the early 1990's liverpool were as big as Man United if not bigger my point is I would like to change that what liverpool fan would not? With FSG we know for sure they are not up to the job resource wise it's fine getting sponsoshio deals but unless we better our rivals in income all we are doing is maintaining our second rate position I can't quite work out what you think the alternative is....? A richer owner wouldn't make be able to give us more spending money. Our transfer/wages spending is determined by our commercial income, not the depth of our owner's pockets. Unless a new owner can bring in more commercial revenue, they'll be no better or worse than FSG. From what I can see, FSG have improved our finances considerably with new sponsorship deals aligned to the club, shirt sales and affiliates. Are you hoping that a new owner comes in and gives us £450m gift to buy a new 70,000 seater stadium without wanting anything in return? Good luck with that one!
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There seems to be an acceptance Manchester United are a bigger club than liverpool and always will be that's not something I can bring myself to countenance which I why I was gutted when DIC pulled out and we got gillet and hicks and John Henry who are pretty much as bad as each other just the latter is more sly and cunning about it. Unless something fundamental changes over the running of the club we can talk tactics managers and hopeful signing till we are blue in the face United will still be ahead of us. And let's not forget they are as capable of bringing youngsters though or buying bargains that become superstars just as much as we are. Surely you don't support a team based on their perceived 'size'? Utd ARE a bigger club but I don't see why that should bother a fan(?). As for DIC, they wouldn't be in charge now even if their deal did go through. Part of their proposal to buy the club included a 7yr exit strategy therefore, profit would have been their sole focus until we were passed off to the highest bidder. A great business model for the owners but not necessarily for the club. Whether it be DIC, FSG, H&G or A.N.Other, we would still be governed by financial fair play so I don't think things would be much different now anyway. People criticise FSG for 'not knowing much about football' but that isn't part of their role. In order for us to be competitive, FSG's role is to bring in new sponsorship and partner agreements giving us the additional revenue we need for better players. The same goes for any club owner now that they can't chuck their own cash around and buy their way to the title. My first trip to anfield to support liverpool was in 1963 against Coventry City. At that time and right up to the early 1990's liverpool were as big as Man United if not bigger my point is I would like to change that what liverpool fan would not? With FSG we know for sure they are not up to the job resource wise it's fine getting sponsoshio deals but unless we better our rivals in income all we are doing is maintaining our second rate position I can't quite work out what you think the alternative is....? A richer owner wouldn't make be able to give us more spending money. Our transfer/wages spending is determined by our commercial income, not the depth of our owner's pockets. Unless a new owner can bring in more commercial revenue, they'll be no better or worse than FSG. From what I can see, FSG have improved our finances considerably with new sponsorship deals aligned to the club, shirt sales and affiliates. Are you hoping that a new owner comes in and gives us £450m gift to buy a new 70,000 seater stadium without wanting anything in return? Good luck with that one! A new owner could appoint a better manager who knows how to spend. For the rest I agree with you, SP still believes in Santa.
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All the clubs above us Santa has been
But not liverpool and we all happily accept that
IF YOU WANT TO BE HEARD SPEAK SOFTLY - BOB PAISLEY
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So united supporters should be dancing around the place coz they're third, potentially ELEVEN points off the top? Wouldn't that point to THEIR expectations being managed? How desperate can someone grasp for straws?!? They have great momentum, have gone from nowhere to 3rd, and look set to heavily invest again in the Summer, with a manager who has done it at big levels. Utd fans should be dancing around the place because they are demonstrating progress. They know they aren't going to win the title next year, but they're all set to return to the top table. We are falling further off it, despite having had an absolutely fantastic opportunity to cement our hold on a top 4 spot. Utd are where we were last year, only we finished a little higher - we also came from nowhere and gave a lot of fans false hope of a new dawn. Utd have climbed the table because they have played a lot less games than their rivals. Let's see how they do with CL football, decent cup runs, and a competitive campaign next season before we start worrying about them again. Their squad is no better than ours - they've just had a lighter workload. Are you serious? This is the worst Liverpool squad I have ever seen. It's not the greatest squad in the world, but in comparison to Utd's it stands up very well. We've got a better keeper, better attackers, better young players. Utd have a better midfield. If we had no CL football this year and had played the same amount of games as Utd, I am 99% certain that we'd be above them.
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