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#468963 12/03/15 09:48 AM
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http://m.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/men/

Above are the world rankings....interesting to see England in 17th place...with Costa Rica 13th. Says a lot doesn't it?


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Fifa rankings are pretty useless

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Originally Posted By: MyKneeGrows
Fifa rankings are pretty useless
The English national side is also pretty uselss, so it's a good indicator..


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Considering football is England's national game and we invented the sport and considering 55 million people live in England and 65m in the British Isles we are the fourth largest economy in the world and home to the premier league probably the biggest sporting commercial product in the globe considering all that those statistics are shocking. I am an Englishman and a proud one I support our national team but I have to agree we underperform to a ridiculous level. It has to be the fault of the FA which is failing in its primary purpose and instead just concentrating on screwing as much money as it can via the premier league almost all of which goes out of the game. I think we need nothing short of a revolution in English football diverting much of the TV money to grass roots football and the lower leagues and creating better academies like they have in France and Germany. The current model is broken in every way it's not just about the english football team but indicative of fundamental problems in the english game which is rotting from the bottom down.


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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Considering football is England's national game and we invented the sport and considering 55 million people live in England and 65m in the British Isles we are the fourth largest economy in the world and home to the premier league probably the biggest sporting commercial product in the globe considering all that those statistics are shocking. I am an Englishman and a proud one I support our national team but I have to agree we underperform to a ridiculous level. It has to be the fault of the FA which is failing in its primary purpose and instead just concentrating on screwing as much money as it can via the premier league almost all of which goes out of the game. I think we need nothing short of a revolution in English football diverting much of the TV money to grass roots football and the lower leagues and creating better academies like they have in France and Germany. The current model is broken in every way it's not just about the english football team but indicative of fundamental problems in the english game which is rotting from the bottom down.
THIS! +1


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I'll +2 that. The EPL has it's head so far up it's own arse though so nothing will get done as the FA won't take them on and change things.

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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Considering football is England's national game and we invented the sport and considering 55 million people live in England and 65m in the British Isles we are the fourth largest economy in the world and home to the premier league probably the biggest sporting commercial product in the globe considering all that those statistics are shocking. I am an Englishman and a proud one I support our national team but I have to agree we underperform to a ridiculous level. It has to be the fault of the FA which is failing in its primary purpose and instead just concentrating on screwing as much money as it can via the premier league almost all of which goes out of the game. I think we need nothing short of a revolution in English football diverting much of the TV money to grass roots football and the lower leagues and creating better academies like they have in France and Germany. The current model is broken in every way it's not just about the english football team but indicative of fundamental problems in the english game which is rotting from the bottom down.


Will better academies produce better players though? The top clubs spend a lot on their academies but rarely produce top class players - they buy them all from other clubs. Their is only so much coaching a player can absorb - surely, the main reasons for succeeding will be natural talent? The likes of Pele, Maradona, Puska, Best, rush, Suarez, Messi, Beckenbauer, Cruyff etc didn't benefit from hi tech academies.

We just need to accept that we are a small nation and therefore have a smaller pool of talent to choose from. Granted, some of them earn way in excess of their worth but that's just down to circumstance. A small country with 60m inhabitants shouldn't expect to be as good as larger countries.

I don't think we have under performed. If anything, we have over performed.

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But England is a big nation population wise to be honest I don't know what the answer is but to me that's the job of the FA. Every night on my TV local news channel at the moment are things coming over the ongoing hillsborough enquiry at warington including statements from senior police officers apologising without going into that which is under legal jurisdiction I think back and reflect overall that event was under the general control of the FA yes the police made serious errors that day but in a sense was a symptom in the real world we would have had mass resignations and reform of the FA from that day 26 years ago. Yet nothing changed at all since we have seen the decline of the national team other than the premier league lower league and amateur football close to going out if existence or on the road to. The success of the premier league is also not the FA but global marketing demands. The organisation is and has been for decades an organisation entirely unfit for purpose in just about everything it has touched and you could argue include homicide in that list. Nothing will change as it is accountable to no one.

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Originally Posted By: MyKneeGrows
Fifa rankings are pretty useless

It looks like they put some effort into selecting the first 9 or 10 and after that they pull them out of a hat.

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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Considering football is England's national game and we invented the sport and considering 55 million people live in England and 65m in the British Isles we are the fourth largest economy in the world and home to the premier league probably the biggest sporting commercial product in the globe considering all that those statistics are shocking. I am an Englishman and a proud one I support our national team but I have to agree we underperform to a ridiculous level. It has to be the fault of the FA which is failing in its primary purpose and instead just concentrating on screwing as much money as it can via the premier league almost all of which goes out of the game. I think we need nothing short of a revolution in English football diverting much of the TV money to grass roots football and the lower leagues and creating better academies like they have in France and Germany. The current model is broken in every way it's not just about the english football team but indicative of fundamental problems in the english game which is rotting from the bottom down.


Will better academies produce better players though? The top clubs spend a lot on their academies but rarely produce top class players - they buy them all from other clubs. Their is only so much coaching a player can absorb - surely, the main reasons for succeeding will be natural talent? The likes of Pele, Maradona, Puska, Best, rush, Suarez, Messi, Beckenbauer, Cruyff etc didn't benefit from hi tech academies.

We just need to accept that we are a small nation and therefore have a smaller pool of talent to choose from. Granted, some of them earn way in excess of their worth but that's just down to circumstance. A small country with 60m inhabitants shouldn't expect to be as good as larger countries.

I don't think we have under performed. If anything, we have over performed.


I don't think the small nation, small pool thing applies here. Firstly, there are tons of english citizens living abroad, the talent and the pool is fine. The system is wrong. There are plenty of talented young English players who get destroyed. Either they get thrown in too early, or they are forced to play under the likes of Hodge... The FA need to invest more in youth, they need to bring in a rule about the maximum number of foreign players in the younger squads, they need to bring in a stricter home grown policy and actually force the clubs to develop the local youngsters.

Instead, they choose whatever suits their agenda of milking the maximum coin.


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