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Based on this the only clubs who can win the Europa League are Zenit or Napoli.
We have just as good a team as anyone left in the competition, we should have qualified over two legs against Besiktas but didn't, that can happen to anyone.
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I think too much is being made of this game.
We were awful, Rodgers and the players made mistakes. But team choice wise we don't have much quality to pick from because of our countless transfer mistakes. Some of our players have European pedigree but as a collection, including the manager, we do not. And we all know Europe is a different beast, we have looked immature at best in tackling Europe this year.
The real prize is top 4, which also brings with it a word of caution in over-reaction. The game against City will not dictate where we finish. You can call is pessimism but after a long and disappointing game last night we are very unlikely to beat City, but we still play those around us which is where we can make up the points.
Yes we were utterly terrible and there were mistakes from manager and players, but if we get top 4 I couldn't give a stuff that we ballsed up the Europa League. Those who said we had a good chance of winning it were utterly deluded anyway, as there are a few teams in it far more solid than us who know how to play in Europe. Totally agree, some totally deluded here thought that we could win the Europa league. I don't blame them, they just confuse hope with belief as they don't understand the game well enough. Don't think much of yourself do you FFS! If I remember correctly, there were very few people that said we would win it but we definitely had a chance to win it. I personally think if you can't accept that it is you who knows very little of the game. I agree with BRK's post but again, I wouldn't say people were deluded to think we could win it. There are some very good teams in there but none that were unbeatable. I think we just lacked the experience as a whole to get through. Lets just hope that this experience has taught Rodgers and the team a good lesson for IF (I say if as I don't want to be labelled deluded  ) we get back into one of them this year. No team is unbeatable but IMO we had no real chance to win the Europa league. If you had followed our performance in Europe and our manager's experience in Europe and cups by the way, it would have been obvious to you too. I would like to understand why some believed (not hoped) we could win it, based on what? Because we have a decent squad of players and a decent manager. We've had an up turn in form lately and as we've seen with Bradford knocking out your beloved Maureen, anything can happen in cup competitions. However unlikely you want to tell yourself it was, while we were in it we had a chance to win it. Nothing deluded in that thinking.
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I think too much is being made of this game.
We were awful, Rodgers and the players made mistakes. But team choice wise we don't have much quality to pick from because of our countless transfer mistakes. Some of our players have European pedigree but as a collection, including the manager, we do not. And we all know Europe is a different beast, we have looked immature at best in tackling Europe this year.
The real prize is top 4, which also brings with it a word of caution in over-reaction. The game against City will not dictate where we finish. You can call is pessimism but after a long and disappointing game last night we are very unlikely to beat City, but we still play those around us which is where we can make up the points.
Yes we were utterly terrible and there were mistakes from manager and players, but if we get top 4 I couldn't give a stuff that we ballsed up the Europa League. Those who said we had a good chance of winning it were utterly deluded anyway, as there are a few teams in it far more solid than us who know how to play in Europe. Totally agree, some totally deluded here thought that we could win the Europa league. I don't blame them, they just confuse hope with belief as they don't understand the game well enough. Don't think much of yourself do you FFS! If I remember correctly, there were very few people that said we would win it but we definitely had a chance to win it. I personally think if you can't accept that it is you who knows very little of the game. I agree with BRK's post but again, I wouldn't say people were deluded to think we could win it. There are some very good teams in there but none that were unbeatable. I think we just lacked the experience as a whole to get through. Lets just hope that this experience has taught Rodgers and the team a good lesson for IF (I say if as I don't want to be labelled deluded ) we get back into one of them this year. No team is unbeatable but IMO we had no real chance to win the Europa league. If you had followed our performance in Europe and our manager's experience in Europe and cups by the way, it would have been obvious to you too. I would like to understand why some believed (not hoped) we could win it, based on what? Based on the fact that Liverpool have a decent enough side to beat the other teams in the competition. We played poorly yesterday but don't for one minute try to pretend that we don't have more quality on our side than Besiktas. Rodgers as well as the players let themselves down yesterday.
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I think too much is being made of this game.
We were awful, Rodgers and the players made mistakes. But team choice wise we don't have much quality to pick from because of our countless transfer mistakes. Some of our players have European pedigree but as a collection, including the manager, we do not. And we all know Europe is a different beast, we have looked immature at best in tackling Europe this year.
The real prize is top 4, which also brings with it a word of caution in over-reaction. The game against City will not dictate where we finish. You can call is pessimism but after a long and disappointing game last night we are very unlikely to beat City, but we still play those around us which is where we can make up the points.
Yes we were utterly terrible and there were mistakes from manager and players, but if we get top 4 I couldn't give a stuff that we ballsed up the Europa League. Those who said we had a good chance of winning it were utterly deluded anyway, as there are a few teams in it far more solid than us who know how to play in Europe. Totally agree, some totally deluded here thought that we could win the Europa league. I don't blame them, they just confuse hope with belief as they don't understand the game well enough. Don't think much of yourself do you FFS! If I remember correctly, there were very few people that said we would win it but we definitely had a chance to win it. I personally think if you can't accept that it is you who knows very little of the game. I agree with BRK's post but again, I wouldn't say people were deluded to think we could win it. There are some very good teams in there but none that were unbeatable. I think we just lacked the experience as a whole to get through. Lets just hope that this experience has taught Rodgers and the team a good lesson for IF (I say if as I don't want to be labelled deluded ) we get back into one of them this year. No team is unbeatable but IMO we had no real chance to win the Europa league. If you had followed our performance in Europe and our manager's experience in Europe and cups by the way, it would have been obvious to you too. I would like to understand why some believed (not hoped) we could win it, based on what? In your eyes we probably had absolutely NO CHANCE of winning the CL with Djimi Traore in 2005, yet we won it! If you are in it, you have a chance to win it, no matter how big or small. End of debate.
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In your eyes we probably had absolutely NO CHANCE of winning the CL with Djimi Traore in 2005, yet we won it! If you are in it, you have a chance to win it, no matter how big or small. End of debate.
We were regularly in Europe those days and even won the UEFA cup a few years earlier + we had a manager who had the experience of winning trophies. I had belief in the team then but not now. If you want to wear blinkers and dream, you can
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A repeat of either of our League Cup performances v Chelsea or the games v Spurs or West Ham would have seen us win the tie in a canter.
We lost it by not sticking 3 or 4 past them at home possibly trying to save ourselves for the Southampton game.
The decision to go eyeballs out for 4th was made last weekend after we won and others slipped up. With injuries affecting squad rotation probably better this way.
Were we capable of going for it? Probably. Watch Everton now they are pretty safe in premier league with nothing else to play for.
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A repeat of either of our League Cup performances v Chelsea or the games v Spurs or West Ham would have seen us win the tie in a canter.
We lost it by not sticking 3 or 4 past them at home possibly trying to save ourselves for the Southampton game.
The decision to go eyeballs out for 4th was made last weekend after we won and others slipped up. With injuries affecting squad rotation probably better this way.
Were we capable of going for it? Probably. Watch Everton now they are pretty safe in premier league with nothing else to play for.
everton still need 40 points they only have 22 niot safe by a long chalk and they will go out to kiev plus one thing is certain i would not want liverpool travelling to war torn ukraine .
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Need to sign at least one top class striker
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3 class midfield players ie kono , firmino, cabaye
In the summer
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To call fans deluded who thought we could challenge for the Europa League isn't fair at all. As for not understanding the game as you put it how on earth can you say that with any conviction? Do you watch all the other sides in the competition on a weekly basis?
I can say I watch La Liga regularly and have a strong knowledge of the teams in that league but I don't watch Italian, Dutch, French or Russian football at all.
This is the draw for the next round:
Everton v Dynamo
Dnipro v Ajax
Zenit v Torino
Wolfsburg v Inter Milan
Villarreal v Sevilla
Napoli v Dinamo Moscow
Club Bruges v Besiktas
Fiorentina v Roma
Who are the stand out teams that make it deluded for Liverpool to think we could of won it? Progressing - Everton Ajax Zenit Wolfsburg Villarreal Napoli Brugge Roma Napoli and Wolfsburg are the favourites for me.
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clearly you have never played or been involved in football or you would not say such nonsense . Ha you have no idea what I do or have done. You're kidding yourself if you think the players decide important things such as this though. If you let players decide when you are/were coaching then more fool you. Just seems like you are trying to shift the blame to me. Rodgers got it wrong big time. Get over it. Just for future reference, here's a bit of reading for you on the subject - http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/wenger-how-i-decide-my-penalty-takers
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