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if any of you have been involved in a penalty shootout you will know its not anyone decision except the players who want it or not , plus going second was a blow aswell , should always try to go first , by the way i have won and lost cups and semi finals on shootouts as a player and manager . Shifting blame I see and yet again completely wrong. The order of penalty takers would have been decided beforehand, Rodgers would have then asked them and some may have bottled it and so takers will have to be replaced, but players don't ave that much power to decide who goes and in what order, that's a coaching decision. clearly you have never played or been involved in football or you would not say such nonsense .
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I think too much is being made of this game.
We were awful, Rodgers and the players made mistakes. But team choice wise we don't have much quality to pick from because of our countless transfer mistakes. Some of our players have European pedigree but as a collection, including the manager, we do not. And we all know Europe is a different beast, we have looked immature at best in tackling Europe this year.
The real prize is top 4, which also brings with it a word of caution in over-reaction. The game against City will not dictate where we finish. You can call is pessimism but after a long and disappointing game last night we are very unlikely to beat City, but we still play those around us which is where we can make up the points.
Yes we were utterly terrible and there were mistakes from manager and players, but if we get top 4 I couldn't give a stuff that we ballsed up the Europa League. Those who said we had a good chance of winning it were utterly deluded anyway, as there are a few teams in it far more solid than us who know how to play in Europe.
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I think too much is being made of this game.
We were awful, Rodgers and the players made mistakes. But team choice wise we don't have much quality to pick from because of our countless transfer mistakes. Some of our players have European pedigree but as a collection, including the manager, we do not. And we all know Europe is a different beast, we have looked immature at best in tackling Europe this year.
The real prize is top 4, which also brings with it a word of caution in over-reaction. The game against City will not dictate where we finish. You can call is pessimism but after a long and disappointing game last night we are very unlikely to beat City, but we still play those around us which is where we can make up the points.
Yes we were utterly terrible and there were mistakes from manager and players, but if we get top 4 I couldn't give a stuff that we ballsed up the Europa League. Those who said we had a good chance of winning it were utterly deluded anyway, as there are a few teams in it far more solid than us who know how to play in Europe. Totally agree, some totally deluded here thought that we could win the Europa league. I don't blame them, they just confuse hope with belief as they don't understand the game well enough.
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I think too much is being made of this game.
We were awful, Rodgers and the players made mistakes. But team choice wise we don't have much quality to pick from because of our countless transfer mistakes. Some of our players have European pedigree but as a collection, including the manager, we do not. And we all know Europe is a different beast, we have looked immature at best in tackling Europe this year.
The real prize is top 4, which also brings with it a word of caution in over-reaction. The game against City will not dictate where we finish. You can call is pessimism but after a long and disappointing game last night we are very unlikely to beat City, but we still play those around us which is where we can make up the points.
Yes we were utterly terrible and there were mistakes from manager and players, but if we get top 4 I couldn't give a stuff that we ballsed up the Europa League. Those who said we had a good chance of winning it were utterly deluded anyway, as there are a few teams in it far more solid than us who know how to play in Europe. Totally agree, some totally deluded here thought that we could win the Europa league. I don't blame them, they just confuse hope with belief as they don't understand the game well enough. I know your first language isn't English so I won't blame you for your misinterpretation of what these people actually said.
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To call fans deluded who thought we could challenge for the Europa League isn't fair at all. As for not understanding the game as you put it how on earth can you say that with any conviction? Do you watch all the other sides in the competition on a weekly basis?
I can say I watch La Liga regularly and have a strong knowledge of the teams in that league but I don't watch Italian, Dutch, French or Russian football at all.
This is the draw for the next round:
Everton v Dynamo
Dnipro v Ajax
Zenit v Torino
Wolfsburg v Inter Milan
Villarreal v Sevilla
Napoli v Dinamo Moscow
Club Bruges v Besiktas
Fiorentina v Roma
Who are the stand out teams that make it deluded for Liverpool to think we could of won it?
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To call fans deluded who thought we could challenge for the Europa League isn't fair at all. As for not understanding the game as you put it how on earth can you say that with any conviction? Do you watch all the other sides in the competition on a weekly basis?
I can say I watch La Liga regularly and have a strong knowledge of the teams in that league but I don't watch Italian, Dutch, French or Russian football at all.
This is the draw for the next round:
Everton v Dynamo
Dnipro v Ajax
Zenit v Torino
Wolfsburg v Inter Milan
Villarreal v Sevilla
Napoli v Dinamo Moscow
Club Bruges v Besiktas
Fiorentina v Roma
Who are the stand out teams that make it deluded for Liverpool to think we could of won it? This would make more sense if we didn't struggle over 2 legs against Besiktas. But we did. There are numerous teams in that list with managers with European pedigree. There is plenty of evidence stacked up that would make it very hard for Liverpool to win the Europa league. The 2 legs against a team that aren't remotely favourites showed that. There was very little evidence bar how our fans personally felt about us to suggest Liverpool could win the Europa cup without a large slice of luck (or dramatic improvement). The proof is in the pudding. Are we still even in it? No.
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I think too much is being made of this game.
We were awful, Rodgers and the players made mistakes. But team choice wise we don't have much quality to pick from because of our countless transfer mistakes. Some of our players have European pedigree but as a collection, including the manager, we do not. And we all know Europe is a different beast, we have looked immature at best in tackling Europe this year.
The real prize is top 4, which also brings with it a word of caution in over-reaction. The game against City will not dictate where we finish. You can call is pessimism but after a long and disappointing game last night we are very unlikely to beat City, but we still play those around us which is where we can make up the points.
Yes we were utterly terrible and there were mistakes from manager and players, but if we get top 4 I couldn't give a stuff that we ballsed up the Europa League. Those who said we had a good chance of winning it were utterly deluded anyway, as there are a few teams in it far more solid than us who know how to play in Europe. Totally agree, some totally deluded here thought that we could win the Europa league. I don't blame them, they just confuse hope with belief as they don't understand the game well enough. Don't think much of yourself do you FFS! If I remember correctly, there were very few people that said we would win it but we definitely had a chance to win it. I personally think if you can't accept that it is you who knows very little of the game. I agree with BRK's post but again, I wouldn't say people were deluded to think we could win it. There are some very good teams in there but none that were unbeatable. I think we just lacked the experience as a whole to get through. Lets just hope that this experience has taught Rodgers and the team a good lesson for IF (I say if as I don't want to be labelled deluded  ) we get back into one of them this year.
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I understand that but we should have put the tie to bed in the first half last night, plenty of chances but unfortunately we couldn't take them.
You mention managers with European pedigree? Who has won a European competition as a manager apart from Rafa and AVB? (I'll admit to not knowing who is in charge of every club still in the Europa League)
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To call fans deluded who thought we could challenge for the Europa League isn't fair at all. As for not understanding the game as you put it how on earth can you say that with any conviction? Do you watch all the other sides in the competition on a weekly basis?
I can say I watch La Liga regularly and have a strong knowledge of the teams in that league but I don't watch Italian, Dutch, French or Russian football at all.
This is the draw for the next round:
Everton v Dynamo
Dnipro v Ajax
Zenit v Torino
Wolfsburg v Inter Milan
Villarreal v Sevilla
Napoli v Dinamo Moscow
Club Bruges v Besiktas
Fiorentina v Roma
Who are the stand out teams that make it deluded for Liverpool to think we could of won it? 10 years ago or even 5 years ago I would have said none but this is Liverpool 2015
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I think too much is being made of this game.
We were awful, Rodgers and the players made mistakes. But team choice wise we don't have much quality to pick from because of our countless transfer mistakes. Some of our players have European pedigree but as a collection, including the manager, we do not. And we all know Europe is a different beast, we have looked immature at best in tackling Europe this year.
The real prize is top 4, which also brings with it a word of caution in over-reaction. The game against City will not dictate where we finish. You can call is pessimism but after a long and disappointing game last night we are very unlikely to beat City, but we still play those around us which is where we can make up the points.
Yes we were utterly terrible and there were mistakes from manager and players, but if we get top 4 I couldn't give a stuff that we ballsed up the Europa League. Those who said we had a good chance of winning it were utterly deluded anyway, as there are a few teams in it far more solid than us who know how to play in Europe. Totally agree, some totally deluded here thought that we could win the Europa league. I don't blame them, they just confuse hope with belief as they don't understand the game well enough. Don't think much of yourself do you FFS! If I remember correctly, there were very few people that said we would win it but we definitely had a chance to win it. I personally think if you can't accept that it is you who knows very little of the game. I agree with BRK's post but again, I wouldn't say people were deluded to think we could win it. There are some very good teams in there but none that were unbeatable. I think we just lacked the experience as a whole to get through. Lets just hope that this experience has taught Rodgers and the team a good lesson for IF (I say if as I don't want to be labelled deluded ) we get back into one of them this year. No team is unbeatable but IMO we had no real chance to win the Europa league. If you had followed our performance in Europe and our manager's experience in Europe and cups by the way, it would have been obvious to you too. I would like to understand why some believed (not hoped) we could win it, based on what?
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