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Personal money??? Revenue is revenue no matter where it comes from. There are other costs in the management of a club, such as operational costs to cover wages and other expanses. The cost of club purchase or even the current costs to expand the stadium. We cannot possibly know the financials but to talk about 'personal money' in a business where there are so many other factors to consider is simplistic.

How much personal investment have the city owners put into there club and redevelopment of the area , city , etc etc

Now why should I care about that, I am a fan of Liverpool football club, the club owners responsibility begins and ends with making my football club and its immediate interests the best it can be first and foremost. Anything else is gravy. Maybe we should put a clause in for any future investors in LFC that for every million pounds spent on the football club and equal amount should go into the city's coffers.

FSG have put almost nothing personally in the club since buying it and we have to compare ourselves with our rivals LFC does not exist as an isolated entity the whole idea of sport is you compete. FSG are just exploiting the liverpool name build up years before they came from an era when the club had ambition. FSG are also lucky to have bought in an era when huge amounts of money are coming into the game. I would not even describe them as owners just speculative holding investors. The sooner these carpet baggers get their profit and move on the better

I may be in the minority here but I'm not at all a fan of the suagr-daddy solution to the clubs future. Wealthy, oligarchs, despots and national wealth funds are glory-hunters of dubious standing, advised to raise their own profile and improve their 'brand' (I know, I hate it too but that's word that's been adopted). This kind of thing ....

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FSG have made a mistake in not taking advantage of the chance to build a new stadium. Now is the time. Also, I'm not yet convinced about their commitment to the academy set up.

They have provided funds for signings; they have decided how they're going to go about team development; talented youth (imported, so far) growing as a team together and managed by someone grateful to be here and who won't rock the boat too much. It has it's risks and will take time. If it works it'll feel like the 'right way' to do it; building, bringing on a team, organic.

I've said it before; they have a plan (like it or not) and the club desperately needed that. The quality of the football is improving and so too is the commercial revenues. It's not fan ownership and there's no trophies to point at but there is general improvement in core areas.

There's enough to feel like we're building. FSG as the best chance of success? No. That would be deep pocket owners. FSG appear competent and fallible, both. To fans they're a compromise. I just don't think that they're all bad either.

I agree with your post FSG are a compromise they are neither good or bad but somewhere in the middle not dissimilar to the glaziers at Man Utd. The problem we have is we did not develop as Man United did 20 years ago and we start from a position of being behind. FSG are not the people to catch up if you are prepared to accept that then I guess there are no issues we carry on as we are until they sell which won't be many years and who do we get then ?

FSG are not going to make up for 25 years of falling behind, no. Only the type of owners City, PSG, Chelsea have can do that and I think I made my opinion on that clear. Success at any price isn't enough for me; it'd be too tainted. But that's my view I don't expect many to agree.

It's not a case of being prepared to accept slow growth; it simply is where we're at. When and to whom they sell, I have absolutely no idea. Nor have I drawn up a list of preferred candidates.

My preference would have be fan ownership but that option passed 5 years ago. It'll happen now only if the club collapses financially. And I don't want that either.

I'm interested to know if the new TV deal will effect our FFP issues going into next year. Surely at this point the new money will basically square up a negative balance sheet?

If we are answering the title of the thread, we need to determine what we mean by success. If it's us competing for the title regularly then there is no debate to be had. FSG quite simply will not give us ANY chance of achieving that kind of success. There is a lot of talk, but every single decision they've made in the last few years has been the decision that equates to us being also rans in the league, not title contenders.

Expansion over a new stadium is categorically the cheaper option, with the least long term gain. The player recruitment every single year has been poor compared to those who genuinely force their way to the title. The list goes on but the fact is they do not want to be oligarch owners, and as our down fall coincided with the increase in money our revenue can't keep us competing with the big boys in the league. For me there is no question, FSG's model and strategies have 0% chance of success if success is us regularly competing for and occasionally winning the title.

If success is regular Champions league football, then there is outside chance of this, but the normal big 4 make this very difficult because they spend better in general, net spend more in general, and all have or want to build modern stadiums.

FSG's decisions (if they continue in the same vain as the last few years) will almost undoubtedly result in us being a 'spurs'. Occasionally might get into the champions league and occasionally win a cup. With a very outside chance of having an incredible season because we happen upon a great player (suarez/bale).

I agree with nearly all of that.

The logical extension of the question posed is, what is the best chance of success. To me, that is that the club is owned by the sort of folk that have PSG, City, Chelsea and for ME [b][/b] that is too high a price.

I wholly appreciate that this is a LFC forum and wanting what's best is at the core of the debates but to me there should be proper argument about how you go about achieving success. Teaming up with sovereign wealth funds of despotic countries or asset-stripping oligarchs is not for me. I don't place winning the league that highly, regardless of how many feel the same.