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I guess success depends on what you mean by success if you mean building the brand to sell the club on then yes FSG are making progress. If you mean liverpool being a successful football club in the sense of winning trophies like titles and champions leagues FSG gave pretty much closed that door off for generations. After almost a decade the best FSG can come up with is £115m on one stand (moores built three in an era without the TV money) and Manchester City spend over double that just on a training academy for youngsters. We are not just being left behind we are not even on the starting blocks with these jokers the sooner they sell up and clear off then the sooner we start rebuilding this once great club.


How can a new stadium help us win the title and CL according to you? Arsenal has won one Cup since they moved to their new stadium a decade ago.


but they never failed to finish out of the top4 either


And you think they have finished in the top 4 because of their new stadium or because they had a manager proven to be able to work miracles with youngsters and qualify for CL every year despite selling their best players every year?

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And as for the £115m stand would not be surprised if that is financed by naming rights and FSG have barely put any money in the club since they bought it


Other than the 20-25 odd million net spend each window and that's what, 8 windows now..well 7 since we spent nothing in January I guess. How much does that add up to?

Oh and of course, they put nothing into the club, despite the redevelpoment, despite the marketing...all this based on..."an assumption" it will be financed by naming rights. An assumption..how very FACTUAL!


The money spent on players comes from LFC's own bank account - not from FSG.

FSG have loaned out money to the LFC company though, but that is a different issue.

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FSG are certainty better than the last owners, can't we all just accept that as a big plus and see where they take us instead of either complaining or asking for the moon around every corner.


Perhaps but that's not saying much is it


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The articles trawled off the internet and posted by our friend say nothing at all just a series of general statements FSG are experts at franchising perhaps they are but its not knowledge we are lacking but commitment and investment. As for putting net £20m or so a year in transfer fees that's operating expense that's what you need to do (as a minimum) if you want to keep a top premiership club on an even keel. Not good enough I am afraid not if you aspire to getting this club back to its rightful place the top of british football.


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I guess success depends on what you mean by success if you mean building the brand to sell the club on then yes FSG are making progress. If you mean liverpool being a successful football club in the sense of winning trophies like titles and champions leagues FSG gave pretty much closed that door off for generations. After almost a decade the best FSG can come up with is £115m on one stand (moores built three in an era without the TV money) and Manchester City spend over double that just on a training academy for youngsters. We are not just being left behind we are not even on the starting blocks with these jokers the sooner they sell up and clear off then the sooner we start rebuilding this once great club.


How can a new stadium help us win the title and CL according to you? Arsenal has won one Cup since they moved to their new stadium a decade ago.


You don't build a stadium to win the title you do it to secure the long term future of the club just because arsenal have never won the league since building a new stadium does nit mean no other team will it's not a programmed rule. I think you will find all the top clubs also have impressive stadia but we are out of that game now. Once they build the new main stand the other four stands are still old and outdated where I sit in the centenary you are crammed in with old facilities and that's the same in anfield road and Kop. But never mind what is done is done we have lost out two bad owners since moores


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Originally Posted By: Ninja Skrtel
Brian Barwick – LFC “growing and set for an exciting future”

As part of our look at Liverpool owners FSG and why they may be Liverpool’s best chance of success , Si Steers speaks to Brian Barwick, the former chief executive of The FA, a lifelong Liverpool supporter and sports media expert.



Brian Barwick:

The club needed to regain stability and structure following the exit of the previous regime. FSG came in to Liverpool and had to adapt quickly to understand the business of football. UK and US sports are very different, for example, there is no draft system in football; that period of adaptation was a learning curve. FSG also needed to take time to understand how Liverpool Football Club interacts with its local, regional and international following, the expectations, and how they resolve the conflicts that go with that.

FSG are highly professional sports business people with a very good idea on whats involved in producing a successful sports business that wins trophies but is run on sound financial and commercial principles.

The appointment of Brendan Rodgers was a logical move for a young coach that had been steadily building his reputation, and it was the right time for a big club to give him an opportunity. Under Rodgers it feels like there is a plan and structure to what is happening on the pitch. The club has recruited a man for the long term.

America is a market leader in how to commercialise sport and drive revenue into the business. FSG and Ian Ayre have done some very good commercial deals. There is now a lot more sense and sensibility about the running of the club. The stadium issue is finally approaching resolution – which gives the club a lot more certainty about the future.



FSG have a reputation of being winners. I have been watching Liverpool for over six decades and you get used to winning and being top of the pile, you can see the amount of energy and emotion in almost winning the PL last season. There are now 5-6 teams that can aspire to the title – so the aspiration for Liverpool has to be competing for the title and qualifying for the Champions League; to win trophies, but not at the expense of putting the club in a perilous financial position.

We are dealing with a set of people that have transferable skills and can run a very good sports institution, it took a little time to understand English football, but they have got to grips with it and the club is growing and set for an exciting future.


Hope Mr. Barwick is right in his rather unsubstantiated opinion. How anyone can say that we’re being put on a sound financial footing by owners who tart up the stadium to a mickey mouse 50 odd thousand seats for a generation is beyond me. Sponsorship and merchandising can come and go with on field performance, and can hardly be implied as a sound financial footing. On the other hand investing in a 70 - 75 thousand seater stadium is a much more assured financial footing for the future, but they’ve funked that.

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Being grateful that they're not as bad as Hicks and the best a man can get can only last for so long.


Give it time I say. Where close shave and company were only talking and drawing plans for a new stadia FSG have gone ahead with an expansion. More importantly they are developing the product that I going to fill up seats. No shiny new high capacity stadium is going to fill-up seats if the show is bad. Lets get the football where it needs to get.


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I think some people think by not developing a new stadium FSG will spend that money on the team instead. I think you are going to be very disappointed.


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But they have Stan. They have spent massively on new players.


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Fsg have spent the money Lfc have generated from I.e live TV games , saurez sale sponsorship money etc

Lfc/fsg net spend is just over 30m.... On new players last summer


How much personal money have fsg invested into Lfc and the squad !!!???

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