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It would not be so bad if the TV money went into football fans stadiums the lower leagues instead it's being spunked on players and agents. I understand you have to pay the going rate but premiership wages far exceed the rest of Europe with the exception of two Spanish clubs

The FA could if they wished make a ruling on a percentage going into infrastructure, and so limit the proportion going to wages and fees, but they won’t do that, there’s too many fingers in that jam-pot. If they did that though, it would calm things down and be good for the game. Imo they’ve never got to grips with the consequences of the Bosman Ruling, thats when it began to go pear shaped.

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You can't legislate a rule that makes sense of the amount Arsenal or City need to invest in infrastructure versus Liverpool or Everton. Theirs is done ours is not.

Re. the Bosman Ruling, if the clubs hadn't taken the [oops] out of the lowly Belgian journeyman and many others besides they wouldn't have dug themselves the hole they have, where they're desperate not to let a wanted player go below 24months on his contract.

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It would not be so bad if the TV money went into football fans stadiums the lower leagues instead it's being spunked on players and agents. I understand you have to pay the going rate but premiership wages far exceed the rest of Europe with the exception of two Spanish clubs

The FA could if they wished make a ruling on a percentage going into infrastructure, and so limit the proportion going to wages and fees, but they won’t do that, there’s too many fingers in that jam-pot. If they did that though, it would calm things down and be good for the game. Imo they’ve never got to grips with the consequences of the Bosman Ruling, thats when it began to go pear shaped.


Why would the FA do that? They have been able to market the EPL so well that it's the most expensive football product in the world that would help to attract more and better players and make it even more attractive. The only thing that could work is a European wage cap, but the English FA will probably not agree, England with not so good national players having the best league in Europe, it's incredible, a great coup by the FA. The only thing I can't understand is why is it that the British agree to pay so high their TV subscription compared Germany who is a richer country I would think.

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Even comparing cricket and football on a financial level is simply not possible.


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Originally Posted By: Ninja Skrtel
Even comparing cricket and football on a financial level is simply not possible.


But the principles are the same scale does not change that. When I was a kid world heavyweight boxing was huge far bigger football than the Ali Frazier fight stopped the world. Now I could not even tell you who the world champion is. Sports can and do get screwed up I live in England and I can tell you grass roots there is far less interest in football, than there was and in watching the game. Yes the bug premiership clubs still fill up but (other than liverpool) the North west clubs city United everton all have to now locally advertise to attact fans and offer deals suggesting demand is slowing. The sky deal was more desperation by sky to stop BT rather than demand based.

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Yet again all statistics show that last year was another record breaking year as far as average atendances are concerned. Amazing!

Your point about the boxing is moot because it was one fight every 3 months or so, not a fight every weekend. Also you say scale does not matter but it does very much so because the local FA's and the country as a while stands to lose much much more, so scale not only matters, it is key. Are you aware of how much the premier league contributes to the English economy overall?

In 2012 the PL contributed 1 billion pounds in tax income alone. In 2013 NBC paid 250 million pounds for the right to broadcast the games. "Visit Britain" has stated that last year 900000 people watched a PL game whilst visiting Britain with 40% of them coming to Britain purely for the PL. Whilst visiting it is estimated the average football tourist spends 785 pounds. 200 pounds more than the average tourist. football contributes upwards of 330 million pounds to the economy if Manchester every year.

So you see, scale matters very very much and i suspect you already knew that but are simply being argumentative. If you think the government is gonna allow all that cash to get away, you are mistaken.


The PL is here to stay for the forseeable future.


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It's great that the premier league pays a lot of tax but that's not the reason it exists nor is it the reason we watch football. The premiershio is riding high at the moment I accept that but prices be they tv subscription or ticket prices are rising at an alarming rate. It's simply not common sense to imagine that will continue exponentially in fact I don't think we are far away from a tipping point quoting historical statistics are irrelevant to the future outcome. And there is an old english saying marko

"The bigger they come the harder they fall"

And when the fall comes there is going to be a lot of clubs in trouble every bubble in history has burst and this one will don't you worry about that !


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I never said it wouldn't... Just not in the forseeable future. When demand diminishes, prices will be lowered and fams will flock in just as they are now. You would have to be very naive to believe that the English government or FA would just allow a cash cow like the premier league to slip away into anonimity or into a breakaway european league.


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Originally Posted By: Ninja Skrtel
I never said it wouldn't... Just not in the forseeable future. When demand diminishes, prices will be lowered and fams will flock in just as they are now. You would have to be very naive to believe that the English government or FA would just allow a cash cow like the premier league to slip away into anonimity or into a breakaway european league.


You have more faith in both the FA and british government than I do. The FA are a greedy organisation motivated by the personal fortunes of their executives british football and it's fans are not their priorities. As for the government BT has faced critism for increasing utility Bills for families with no interest in football but who are paying for it indirectly. Sky is a global organisation and goodness knows what ifs tax affairs are. Politically most British MP,s are supportive of fans (fans vote) as for tax revenue I would imagine most of that comes from fans retail hotels (vat) etc not from TV money which is absorbed into the clubs accounts most of whom make small profits or losses and hence pay negligible corporation tax

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Originally Posted By: Ninja Skrtel
I never said it wouldn't... Just not in the forseeable future. When demand diminishes, prices will be lowered and fams will flock in just as they are now. You would have to be very naive to believe that the English government or FA would just allow a cash cow like the premier league to slip away into anonimity or into a breakaway european league.


You have more faith in both the FA and british government than I do. The FA are a greedy organisation motivated by the personal fortunes of their executives british football and it's fans are not their priorities. As for the government BT has faced critism for increasing utility Bills for families with no interest in football but who are paying for it indirectly. Sky is a global organisation and goodness knows what ifs tax affairs are. Politically most British MP,s are supportive of fans (fans vote) as for tax revenue I would imagine most of that comes from fans retail hotels (vat) etc not from TV money which is absorbed into the clubs accounts most of whom make small profits or losses and hence pay negligible corporation tax


What about the players, don't they pay a lot of taxes? So what's your point, they are all letting the game die?

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