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Originally Posted By: bigredkop
Originally Posted By: RedsforChampions
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Its perfectly clear we had the better players,cant all the fans see what you saying is so true.How can all those players become so bad at liverpool when they were shining elsewhere.....even those we loaned out (Assaidi,Suso,Shahin,Aspas etc)and sold were and are doing better at other clubs.


I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not. I hope it is otherwise shows a worrying lack of awareness about the very basics of football. Just because a player performs well in one country, in one club, in one set of tactics, does not mean he can translate even half of that into a new situation. I mean that really is fundamentals.

Many of our signings, not all but many, despite being solid players for their previous clubs were obviously not going to make the step up, and haven't.


Well, a lot depends on the manager too. Moyes finished 7th or 8th with a better team that were champions under Fergusson just a season earlier. I was watching United recently and most of Van Galls signings were injured, therefore playing mostly the team Moyes had and they were already better. Look at Terry who was mostly on the bench under Rafa, he is now probably the best CB in the EPL under Jose. This is more of a fundamantal, top managers get the best of of players while poor ones don't. Steping up depends a lot on how they are managed, not always, but very often


The moyes example imo is poor, as it's very well reported that the players bad mouthed him and didn't give anywhere near 100 percent. Moyes could have been a tactical genius and it still wouldn't have worked out for him.

Also statistically when Van gaal was using the squad from last season he was fairing no better than moyes in terms of points and wins. I take your point and it does have validity, you just chose incredibly poor examples.


I think my example at least for Moyes record is well valid as a top manager can sort out bad mouthing and I was talking about the recent Van Gaal games where most of his signings were injured. You have an incredibly big chip on your shoulder.

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Originally Posted By: RedsforChampions


I think my example at least for Moyes record is well valid as a top manager can sort out bad mouthing and I was talking about the recent Van Gaal games where most of his signings were injured. You have an incredibly big chip on your shoulder.


No I don't, I'm allowed to disagree with you. Just as you're allowed to disagree with me. Welcome to the internet. I expressed my opinion as you did yours, don't get upset about it.

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Originally Posted By: bigredkop
Originally Posted By: RedsforChampions


I think my example at least for Moyes record is well valid as a top manager can sort out bad mouthing and I was talking about the recent Van Gaal games where most of his signings were injured. You have an incredibly big chip on your shoulder.


No I don't, I'm allowed to disagree with you. Just as you're allowed to disagree with me. Welcome to the internet. I expressed my opinion as you did yours, don't get upset about it.


I'm not upset

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Originally Posted By: TheMightyLFC
With Suarez gone and now Stevie G too, what is left to persuade developing stars like Sterling to sign long term contracts? Why would an established stars or a potential star chose us over another club?

Does BR have enough of a reputation to swing things our way? I suspect not. Maybe he needs help from a figure recognised throughout Europe - someone who can attract talent to the club.


Isn't that, in part, Kenny's role at the club???

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Originally Posted By: sixtiesred
We won't get a dof imo as that would give Rogers a parachute to bail out and fsg know that so can't see it happening


According to a lot of posters on here, Rodgers already has FSG and the "committee" to pass the blame onto... I guess we could always add a DoF as an extra fail safe sick

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With Suarez gone and now Stevie G too, what is left to persuade developing stars like Sterling to sign long term contracts? Why would an established stars or a potential star chose us over another club?

Does BR have enough of a reputation to swing things our way? I suspect not. Maybe he needs help from a figure recognised throughout Europe - someone who can attract talent to the club.


I see what you're saying there.


Hahaaa... I've got a lot of time for Rafa, but you've got to admit appointing him as DoF would be an absolute nightmare... he wouldn't be able to stand back and let any manager manage "his team"... he'd instigate a revolt within weeks in the job eek

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Barcelona fired their DOF, let's get him.

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Yeah!

He's so god that they decided to fire him!

Come on FSG we know you want to... laugh

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He's probably too old for the FSG policy wink grin

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Or wants too high wages! laugh

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