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Our director of football isn't one man, its a committee. It doesn't matter who it is, so long as they are concentrated on signing the right types of players. Liverpool have done that quite well in my eyes. I couldn't be further removed from Savage's views on our transfers.

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Our director of football isn't one man, its a committee. It doesn't matter who it is, so long as they are concentrated on signing the right types of players. Liverpool have done that quite well in my eyes. I couldn't be further removed from Savage's views on our transfers.


I actually do agree with you that we have bought well enough. Rodgers just needs the time to get things working, its taking longer than normal and he's been unlucky with injuries. Hope they don't mess about bringing in 'potential' talent for strikers though, that would be unforgivable. You can train players for any other positions but a striker is a different animal altogether. This is one department they need proven talent. Telling the mid-fielders to pretend they are strikers is not going take the team very far.


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Originally Posted By: jjmelling/Stato
Our director of football isn't one man, its a committee. It doesn't matter who it is, so long as they are concentrated on signing the right types of players. Liverpool have done that quite well in my eyes. I couldn't be further removed from Savage's views on our transfers.


A committee is a quite different thing from just one man (or woman) implementing the strategies of a club or any organization.

That LFC have signed the right players is up for debate - as you say: not a fact.

In my eyes we have overpaid incedibly well for the following players:

£ 22.3 M for Lovren
£ 27.3 M for Lallana
£ 22.0 M for Markovic

In my view about 50 % of the fees above would have been apropriate. If the selling club didn't take a bid at that level, then why didn't we do as we did with Costa, Sanchez, Mkhtariyan, Konoplyanka et al: Move on to the next target!?

To me it seems so strange that we have succeeded in signing average players for over the odds money, whereas we have failed at signing top players for under the odds money. Where is the strategy and logics?

We have recently signed other players though:

£ 17.6 M for Balotelli
£ 15.8 M for Moreno
£ 10.6 M for Can
£ 4.8 M for Lambert

Out of those fees I think Balotelli is a bit too high, and Moreno too. But Can and Lambert is around where they should be.

Next question is the quality added to a squad that as going to play CL football for the first time in a number of years. Remember that we lost our best (only world class) player during the summer.

What kind of quality did we need to sign? We needed to add players to a glaringly thin squad, that was a pure fact. But did we need to add 9 new players - in positions where we were already covered? Or did we need to add quality in perhaps 3 positions (striker, dm and cb)?

I have my opinion, and it is not to add 9 prospects, out of whom half were grossly overpaid for.

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Originally Posted By: jjmelling/Stato
Our director of football isn't one man, its a committee. It doesn't matter who it is, so long as they are concentrated on signing the right types of players. Liverpool have done that quite well in my eyes. I couldn't be further removed from Savage's views on our transfers.


A committee is a quite different thing from just one man (or woman) implementing the strategies of a club or any organization.

That LFC have signed the right players is up for debate - as you say: not a fact.

In my eyes we have overpaid incedibly well for the following players:

£ 22.3 M for Lovren
£ 27.3 M for Lallana
£ 22.0 M for Markovic

In my view about 50 % of the fees above would have been apropriate. If the selling club didn't take a bid at that level, then why didn't we do as we did with Costa, Sanchez, Mkhtariyan, Konoplyanka et al: Move on to the next target!?

To me it seems so strange that we have succeeded in signing average players for over the odds money, whereas we have failed at signing top players for under the odds money. Where is the strategy and logics?

We have recently signed other players though:

£ 17.6 M for Balotelli
£ 15.8 M for Moreno
£ 10.6 M for Can
£ 4.8 M for Lambert

Out of those fees I think Balotelli is a bit too high, and Moreno too. But Can and Lambert is around where they should be.

Next question is the quality added to a squad that as going to play CL football for the first time in a number of years. Remember that we lost our best (only world class) player during the summer.

What kind of quality did we need to sign? We needed to add players to a glaringly thin squad, that was a pure fact. But did we need to add 9 new players - in positions where we were already covered? Or did we need to add quality in perhaps 3 positions (striker, dm and cb)?

I have my opinion, and it is not to add 9 prospects, out of whom half were grossly overpaid for.


I suppose that's what happens when players don't want to come. You don't get the players you want and you pay over-the-top for the others.


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Originally Posted By: van Gogh
Originally Posted By: jjmelling/Stato
Our director of football isn't one man, its a committee. It doesn't matter who it is, so long as they are concentrated on signing the right types of players. Liverpool have done that quite well in my eyes. I couldn't be further removed from Savage's views on our transfers.


A committee is a quite different thing from just one man (or woman) implementing the strategies of a club or any organization.

That LFC have signed the right players is up for debate - as you say: not a fact.

In my eyes we have overpaid incedibly well for the following players:

£ 22.3 M for Lovren
£ 27.3 M for Lallana
£ 22.0 M for Markovic

In my view about 50 % of the fees above would have been apropriate. If the selling club didn't take a bid at that level, then why didn't we do as we did with Costa, Sanchez, Mkhtariyan, Konoplyanka et al: Move on to the next target!?

To me it seems so strange that we have succeeded in signing average players for over the odds money, whereas we have failed at signing top players for under the odds money. Where is the strategy and logics?

We have recently signed other players though:

£ 17.6 M for Balotelli
£ 15.8 M for Moreno
£ 10.6 M for Can
£ 4.8 M for Lambert

Out of those fees I think Balotelli is a bit too high, and Moreno too. But Can and Lambert is around where they should be.

Next question is the quality added to a squad that as going to play CL football for the first time in a number of years. Remember that we lost our best (only world class) player during the summer.

What kind of quality did we need to sign? We needed to add players to a glaringly thin squad, that was a pure fact. But did we need to add 9 new players - in positions where we were already covered? Or did we need to add quality in perhaps 3 positions (striker, dm and cb)?

I have my opinion, and it is not to add 9 prospects, out of whom half were grossly overpaid for.


A lot of the bigger clubs overpay. To me that is not our main issue. It's the endless turn around of [oops] players.

Take;
Borini - 11m offers nothing
Coates - 7m offered nothing
Aspas - 7-8m offered nothing
Alberto - 7m offered nothing

I don't think we overpaid for Balotelli. We just signed the wrong type of player.

Lallana 25m people say we overpaid by 10m. He offers something to the team, can get goals and could doing that for the next 5 years for us. His performances will add value and help us to CL, more money etc.

The others offer nothing. They are not as expensive but they are the signings we are making over and over again. Overpaying for players who add something to the team is not the problem.

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This is fcking unbelievable, how can a committee possibly know what a manager requires by way of players in respect to tactics, style of play, qualities and so on. If members in the fcking committee have a say in player purchase they should very well be managing their own club!


It's mental tho innit???

X amount of money should be made available for the manager to spend it how he sees fit. I can't for the life of me understand it.. if the manager wants to spunk all the money on three players as opposed to eight for the same total then what's the difference???

Drives me 'round the bloody bend mad


Thing is Duncan, what were their long term plans though? Were there already set plans in place to build a new foundation squad first and then add world class talent in key positions later? Something tells me they did not expect a top 4 finish last season and Champions league football but since that did happen, would't, as you say, buying 3 world class players in a proven system make a far more positive impact than an attempt at completely rebuilding a team. I mean shouldn't plans change with circumstance?

Time will tell though if this strategy works out, possibly next season.I also think they did not expect Danny to suffer a long term injury and just might pull the trigger on world class talent in Jan although if they are adamant to keeping to a time-table, the purchase won't happen till after this season.

This season though, is lost.


Some really good points, and yes you are correct buying a few top players over the 8 or so utterly mediocre players we did purchase would have been a far better strategy. The important thing here is that this isn't in hindsight, as it was said by many over summer and prior to summer, as well as the fact that we have seen many times with other clubs including our own that the strategy they employed almost never works. The naivety (at best) and stupidity (at worst) of buying players like Lallana + another also ran over buying a potentially top player (something Lallana most definitely is not) or already top player is disgusting when exhibited as often as it has been those at the helm of our club.

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