KopTalk.com Forums Football Liverpool FC Forum Torres Birmingham sub doesn't make sense.

Not really because all your going on is your version of events. Neither of us can be right or wrong because the only people who know the truth are the players and coaching staff at the club. All we have are opinions.

rested after 65 mins in one game and playing 88 minutes in the next game are the figures for everyone's taking MURPH

Maybe, maybe not. If he took the knock to his knee against Birmingham how serious was it? How much pain was he in? Was leaving him on going to cause more damage?

The time inbetween taking him off against Birmingham and the game against Benfica would have given the medical staff at the club plenty of time to asses the extent of his injury.

Always two sides to a story Muj

F*ck me if I said the grass was green you'd say it was blue. Injury is there for all to see. There's tv footage to back this up.

F*ck you pettiness winds me up.

How do you know? Were you there? Did you know the extent of the injury?

I'm guessing that like me you've answered no to the above questions. So we dont really know if an extra 25 minutes would have made a difference do we?

dont tell me u were hiding behind Rafa's seat Murph

we don't know the facts so let's put this one to bed shall we ???

whether he was saving him for the Europa or trying to ensure that he lasted the whole season, what we do know is that he has not succeeded in either as he is now out for the rest of the season unfortunately.

as a slight aside (on the subject of not knowing what goes on behind the scenes) - anyone see Tony Pulis on Goals on Sunday this weekend.

He was talking about Ryan Shawcross and when he got his first England cap, he said Stevie G had gone up massively in his estimations as he was captain for the that match and really took Shawcross under his wing. Couldn't say enough positives about Stevie.

It was nice to hear - I have also criticised Stevie at some point this season, as I think he has showed a lack of leadership at times, however as we have said above - none of know what really goes on behind those doors

torres wasn't injured in that game. rafs explanation after the game was that torres was tired, not that he had picked up a knock. it's easy for you to say this now afterwards but if we're gonna stick to the truth it was in the benfica game he picked up a knock, not against birmingham...

Explain why he was seen cluthing his knee and limping before kick off against Benfica. Explain the ice pack on his knee after been taken off against Birmingham.

Just because Rafa says something doesnt mean its true.