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Ah yes shags - but we got those poor results and performances with our 'first team' and supposed best players... so how is it wrong of BR to try some new players and combinations? There is no 'happy brigade' - no one is happy about things. There is no 'apologists' as Flamey calls them - no one is apologising for the way things are. There is simply a difference in opinion as to what to do this moment about it. The 'Sack BR' brigade are basically the same posters that went after Dalglish - and once again they have no ideas but to jump back on the manager merry-go-round. It's got nothing to do with 'moral victories' and all the other hyperbolic tripe being tossed around - it simply has to do with being reasonable and following the correct course of action. Being facile and spiteful about the situation - gloating over fellow fans' disappointment - none of it is productive. There is nothing wrong with trying to find things to build on - that's what all clubs, all managers, all owners have to do. The legends at our club had to do it - Shanks pulled us out of a far worse era than this.

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We waited 5 years to get into the CL again and last night we played the current holders in their own backyard.
What did we do? We put out a team that wouldn't have looked out of place in the CoC Cup 3rd round.
We reached an all time low last night because we gave the game up before a ball was kicked and we belittled a famous competition.

we'll play teams who won't have anywhere near the quality Madrid have more than a couple of times this season and beat most teams playing like that

You talk far too much sense at the best of times mate but it is definitely the largest contributory factor to our plight. I've notice too that the quality journalists around (if I can get away with that) have picked up on this of late and I've seen certain players now referenced as a 'committee buy' in recent stories e.g. Lambert.

Don't think there was much wrong with BR's reasoning tonight and not going to bash him. The positives and possibly some of the reasons he did what he did for me:

We had very little chance of winning on abysmal current form -he played the probabilities

He knows progression will come from victories against others in the group and that is still very possible especially with Sturridge back

The game against Chelsea is far more pivotal

Made a statement to a few of the players taking positions for granted and big time Charlie brigade.

Giving fringe players a chance to genuinely shine/push out the complacent.

I'm glad even though he is under pressure he is still able to do what he did and not just wither away. I'm not now his greatest fan but some of the negativity borders on the ridiculous especially considering there are many at the club equally as responsible for our current state not just the manager.

Well personally speaking Herc,last nights team selection is the first time he's really [oops] me off bearing in mind my concerns are primarily with FSG.