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See I was with you all the way up to the Lalanna bashing again. Well I'm more than willing to admit it's my opinion and a subjective subject and that you might think lallana is more than an average player. But with the worst chance creation per minutes on the pitch for a player in his position means he hasn't shown that thus far, so my mind hasn't changed from the summer. All to play for and early days though. Yep you're right. I think he's better than average but no arguing he's not been great. But neither has everyone else so why just single him out? Because he cost 25 million, is on higher wages than most so we're lead to believe, and I personally think he was a stupid signing and for big money. But again I don't claim that to be fact, just my feeling when I saw we actually bought him, and thus far it seems I'm right, but he certainly has plenty of time to prove me wrong and I would love him to. But as for singling him out in my post, you're right it didn't need to be him, it could have been nearly any one of our signings in the last 2 or so years (I stress nearly as I can't blame anyone for thinking Lovren for example would have slotted in more comfortably and quickly than he has). We over paid for him that's for sure and I wouldn't believe the inflated reports of his wages. But the reason we bought him was to play the Coutinho role(let's not forget he only turned up once a month last season) which he was doing at Southampton and doing well for 2 EPL seasons. It's no coincidence that Southampton play in a similar way to how we played. So for me, it's quite clear why we bought him albeit for an over inflated sum.
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Rarely does a football player slot in effotlessly at a new club . There are exceptions of course but I think our new signings should be given more time. Ah but other teams don't suffer that apparently. I'm sure someone will point out Southampton at some point!
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What about Soldado? Lamela? Modric at Real? Mhkytaryan (however you spell it) didn't exactly slot in easily for Dortmund his first year, but no one is saying he's rubbish. What about all the players Newcastle bought from France at a steal that everyone thought would take them to the next level after their 5th place finish? Bony looks good at Swansea now, but it took him a little while to get a goal. Even Bale had difficulty adapting to Madrid at first. People were saying it was daft to sell Ozil to get him, but look at him now! It took many of them a while to adapt. Southampton may have gotten lucky, but for every signing that slots in perfectly, there are plenty of others that don't.
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What about Soldado? Lamela? Modric at Real? Mhkytaryan (however you spell it) didn't exactly slot in easily for Dortmund his first year, but no one is saying he's rubbish. What about all the players Newcastle bought from France at a steal that everyone thought would take them to the next level after their 5th place finish? Bony looks good at Swansea now, but it took him a little while to get a goal. Even Bale had difficulty adapting to Madrid at first. People were saying it was daft to sell Ozil to get him, but look at him now! It took many of them a while to adapt. Southampton may have gotten lucky, but for every signing that slots in perfectly, there are plenty of others that don't. Not every player hits it off straight away agreed but in my experience most players that are going to make it do so right away. Once we start the patience route the writing is normally on the wall. Caragher wrote about this the other week other than pires most foreign players who were a success settled in fairly quickly.
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Rarely does a football player slot in effotlessly at a new club . There are exceptions of course but I think our new signings should be given more time. Ah but other teams don't suffer that apparently. I'm sure someone will point out Southampton at some point! Its not about teams but about players. Look at Manchester United, for example, where Falcao is finding the going tough while Di Maria is playing like he's been there all his life.
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What about Soldado? Lamela? Modric at Real? Mhkytaryan (however you spell it) didn't exactly slot in easily for Dortmund his first year, but no one is saying he's rubbish. What about all the players Newcastle bought from France at a steal that everyone thought would take them to the next level after their 5th place finish? Bony looks good at Swansea now, but it took him a little while to get a goal. Even Bale had difficulty adapting to Madrid at first. People were saying it was daft to sell Ozil to get him, but look at him now! It took many of them a while to adapt. Southampton may have gotten lucky, but for every signing that slots in perfectly, there are plenty of others that don't. Not every player hits it off straight away agreed but in my experience most players that are going to make it do so right away. Once we start the patience route the writing is normally on the wall. Caragher wrote about this the other week other than pires most foreign players who were a success settled in fairly quickly. We were patient (or not) with Hendo, Lucas came good for a time, Crouch to name three and all turned out good. Not every great player does well to start with but that doesn't fit the anti FSG agenda I suppose?
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We over paid for him that's for sure and I wouldn't believe the inflated reports of his wages. But the reason we bought him was to play the Coutinho role(let's not forget he only turned up once a month last season) which he was doing at Southampton and doing well for 2 EPL seasons. It's no coincidence that Southampton play in a similar way to how we played. So for me, it's quite clear why we bought him albeit for an over inflated sum.
I totally get the comment about coutinho's inconsistency but Southampton playing the same way as us last year is one of the biggest fallacies going around this forum atm. They didn't, I mean you might be able to say they did if you looked at a couple of starting formations, But their strategy, set up, and style was actually quite different. Both managers even said so last year! It's a complete fallacy based on I don't know what really other than probably not actually watching Southampton much (not having a go at you IVe seen a few others say it too). But regardless, for 25 million (as I mentioned over the summer with examples) we could have bought players who fit in better and were far classier and more talented in that position, and on lower wages than he is apparently on. But anyway I didn't mean to turn this into a lallana thread, as I said my post works with nearly any player we've bought over the past 2 years.
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It was reported at the time of his signing the transfer fee and a salary of 100k a week and most sites had these figs Must be true then!
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When Costa himself said we tried to buy him then yes I believe it. When I see Lallana's pay slip or he comes out and says I'm on £100k a week I'll believe that too. Not a hard concept to grasp.
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It was reported at the time of his signing the transfer fee and a salary of 100k a week and most sites had these figs Must be true then! This in no way invalidates your opinion on Lallana, it is more than fair enough to say you think he's a good player and just needs time. But there is no reason to believe all the media outlets are involved in some mass conspiracy, of course it is possible that it is untrue, but what reason do we have to think its not? Players liverpool regard as key players are on that pay bracket (there or there abouts).
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