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As I said, many have been unfair to Souness. He had a lot of changes to make, and in many ways he had to bring Liverpool kicking and screaming into the modern era (the implementation of stricter diets, less beer, academy revamps that brought in Macca and Fowler, etc.). However, he inherited a team that was, as you said, the best in England (even if only barely), but in his 3 year tenure, LFC were playing dire football. He also still had Barnes, Molby, and Rush who were hardly bad players, despite their age. Rush proved he could still be a 19-22 goal a season man until 1995. He had money to replace the aging old guard, and spent a national record breaking fee on Dean Saunders and spunked plenty on garbage, if memory serves. He also had notoriously poor man-management and bizarre tactics. Sure, he got a mess to deal with, but he had far more tools at his disposal, and even less success in the transfer market.

Your analysis of what Kenny left Rodgers is revisionist at best. Rodgers inherited a side that had not finished higher than 6th in 4 years, and who could barely score a goal. I think Kenny was hard done myself after his cup success, but the squad Kenny left him just was just as old and falling apart and had next to none of the quality that the one Souness inherited. Maxi and Kuyt were too old and too slow. Bellamy was old, had knee-problems, and was trying to go back home to Cardiff, Gerrard's legs were going and he couldn't stay healthy, 35 million pound donkey Carroll didn't fit the team and was never fit enough to play, Stewart Downing couldn't get a goal or an assist, Henderson was a deer in headlights, Adam was immobile, and Reina was a shadow of himself. Carragher was even being lambasted on sites like this as a liability. Even Suarez, though brilliant, couldn't finish a bloody doughnut under Kenny. He was missing sitters by the dozen, and driving everyone crazy with his selfishness and behavioral issues. The only consistent players we really had were Agger and Lucas, and they were crocked half the time.

In two years he brought Liverpool to their best season in premier league history, scoring the most goals and playing the most attractive football we've seen in years. Henderson was transformed from a passenger into a boss box-to-box player who is now vice captain. And one of the leading assisters in the country. He helped Gerrard reinvent himself as a deep-lying playmaker that got him off the treatment table, and got the best season out of him we'd had in years. He formed one of the most lethal strike partnership that Liverpool have ever had, 50% of which came from a punk kid no one wanted that he picked up for 12 million quid. He is also the only manager to get an entire season out of Suarez without discipline problems since his 2007-8 season at ajax. He got us back into the champion's league, which his predecessors failed to do.

Let's not forget that Rodgers set us back when he arrived, his first season was an absolute disaster, dumped out of cups embarassingly early as well as being embarassed in Europe, barely did any better in the league. Kenny had already lined up Diame to join us, Sturridge was already being touted as well, not to mention Coutinho who was actually advised to FSG by Rafa. I honestly do think that Kenny would have had us in the Champions League that season.

Last season was a one off thanks to Suarez, hence why we suddenly look like [oops] now. Who's to say that Surez wouldn't have hit 30 goals per season under Kenny either.

Rodgers was not left a [oops] squad, he didn't have to rebuild the squad, he had to buy 2 players and he failed miserably, over £200 million and nearly 3 years later and we're no better off than when Kenny was here.

Absolute bull. He got 31 of our 101 goals last season so it wasn't all down to Suarez. And lets not forget the fukking idiot got himself banned for 4 months too so would have played 2 games for us this season.

Suarez got 31 goals plus something like 20 assists, therefor was involved in 50% of our goals.

Suarez May have only got 31 goals in a part season but it's still a prodigious amount of goals by any standard especially as he was not an out and out forward plus was it Gerrard who took the penalties ? And of the 101 how many were down to Suarez assists or tying up the opposition to make space.

Yes we are, we're in the Champion's league, and our squad is much younger and deeper. Everything you're saying about Kenny is a what if, I'm talking about what is and what actually happened. Using what Kenny might have done is a logical fallacy, and doesn't support your argument. What actually happened was Liverpool scored over a hundred goals last season and finished second, something Kenny couldn't do, even with Suarez. I don't think Kenny deserved the sack yet either, but Rodgers has simply outperformed him in the league.

I'm to say Suarez wouldn't have done it because Kenny couldn't keep him on the pitch and Kenny was playing him as a winger, and he wasn't properly getting him in the box.

As for the squad he inherited, all of Kenny's signings were shipped out except Enrique, who's back up, and Henderson, who was shyte under him until Rodgers got the best out of him. You didn't address any of the age concerns I mentioned that had been there since Rafa. As far as Brendan's signings go: Sturridge, Manquillo, Moreno, and Coutinho have been successful and are quality, Allen and Lallana look good enough and improving, Sakho hasn't been fit long enough to determine; and the jury's out on Borini, Lovren, and Balotelli; with Aspas and Moses (and maybe Migs) being the only real definitive flops.

As for Sturridge and Phil not being BR's signings, I don't buy that. Paper talk bs.

Also, if it was all down to Suarez, why couldn't he do it under Kenny?

Because kenny is no more a manager than I'm am

He's won a helluva lot more trophies than you have, Stan.

Well they have (to date) not put me in charge of Liverpool FC especially the side from the mid eighties so the jury is out on that one.