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Is it just me or generally are Liverpool fans online and offline willing to accept lower standards and \ or our expectations so managed we will accept things not acceptable even 5 or 6 years ago never mind 20 years ago.
Look at this season so far this is a disaster we should be challenging Chelsea or City for the title we should be disappointed we are not ahead of them. No one is not one person and I am sure someone will come on and say it was never on the cards anyway and I will be happy to nick fourth.
Eh ???
Really ?
Whats happened to us I am quite sure some would be happy with 7th this season saying we need patience and we are moving in the right direction rome was not built in a day. No it wasnt but they did build it didnt they ?
For christs sake we nearly won the title last year what happened to vision, drive, ambition, standards ??
Or are we all customers now.
And dont get me started on the stadium and the gross lack of ambition and vision there. I could probably take that if the rest of the club was ok but we seemed to have settled for our status which is a top 6 or 7 club which occassionally wins a cup and qualifies for the champions league now and again.
As a Liverpool fan of 50 years that is beyond my comprehension but I guess I am old and out of touch.
That must be it then.
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Too much was focused on us improving our squad, rather than our starting XI, with the loss of Suarez. I have lowered my expectations now as apparently what I was saying was immature. With them now lowered I realise all our transfer are good for a club of our level and ambition. Hopefully we can nick 5th spot for a Europa League spot and maybe lift the Capital One Cup.
Chelsea, City, United and Arsenal all have better starting XI's than us, as the season unfolds I fully expect them to all be ahead of us. With Chelsea, United and Arsenal, they can all outspend us and offer higher wages. I believe it's only City that generate less than us in revenue?
I believe it will forever be like this unless radical change is made, but with FSG this will not happen. Unfortunately Marko's brilliant plan of staying above our rivals consistently, year in, year out, already looks too big a task.
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Yeah it's a shame about Markos plan I actually liked it but looks to have foundered in the first three months.
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Faz has kept very quiet on the Stadium issue, I'd be interested to know if he favours the redevelopment - Faz?
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Is it just me or generally are Liverpool fans online and offline willing to accept lower standards and \ or our expectations so managed we will accept things not acceptable even 5 or 6 years ago never mind 20 years ago.
Look at this season so far this is a disaster we should be challenging Chelsea or City for the title we should be disappointed we are not ahead of them. No one is not one person and I am sure someone will come on and say it was never on the cards anyway and I will be happy to nick fourth.
Eh ???
Really ?
Whats happened to us I am quite sure some would be happy with 7th this season saying we need patience and we are moving in the right direction rome was not built in a day. No it wasnt but they did build it didnt they ?
For christs sake we nearly won the title last year what happened to vision, drive, ambition, standards ??
Or are we all customers now.
And dont get me started on the stadium and the gross lack of ambition and vision there. I could probably take that if the rest of the club was ok but we seemed to have settled for our status which is a top 6 or 7 club which occassionally wins a cup and qualifies for the champions league now and again.
As a Liverpool fan of 50 years that is beyond my comprehension but I guess I am old and out of touch.
That must be it then.
Completely agree that a tide has changed on expectation. In the benitez era he would have had hell thrown at him if he wasted the amount of money Rodgers did on signings that do not need hindsight to know they weren't of the required standard. Similarly, more than 10 years ago people were stating their disgust at the lack of vision for the club at the suggestion of redevelopment. Now we're happy with it even though its now even more a terrible idea than before?? I don't want Rodgers sacked, but I was very shocked over the summer when certain people on here saw us spending 25 and 20 million on Lallana and Markovic and claimed what brilliant business it was. I am pretty confident that our performances and results will see an upturn, but so will our rival's, and we had a fantastic opportunity to bring in the players to help us cement 4th, instead we took a jump backwards by targeting mediocrity.
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My issue is that we have spent at least 350million on people,failed ownership, poor players and managers in the last 8 years to end up with responsible but not exactly dynamic owners.
Could Moores have not improved our marketing and sponsorship? Purslow and Ayre were good choices to grow this area but I do not see why parry/Moores could not have executed a similar plan.
FSG plan for the stadium is agood albeit modest one, why could we have not done this in 2004? The rewards now would be huge, instead grass has grown under and over our feet and not only have we lost money but lost 10yrs of ground.
Far too often managers have compromised on player choices because of an overall master plan- not pay a certain wage ,fee or player too old. We have made the simple difficult. I do not feel we have to spend 50mil on a player but we cannot afford anymore Aspas,Alberto,loris situations where 20mil was spent on players who will never offer any reward - madness.
The recovery and growth will be maintained but at what level? We are very much well placed but can sorely afford an early champs league exit and more dropped daft league points..
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My issue is that we have spent at least 350million on people,failed ownership, poor players and managers in the last 8 years to end up with responsible but not exactly dynamic owners.
Could Moores have not improved our marketing and sponsorship? Purslow and Ayre were good choices to grow this area but I do not see why parry/Moores could not have executed a similar plan.
FSG plan for the stadium is agood albeit modest one, why could we have not done this in 2004? The rewards now would be huge, instead grass has grown under and over our feet and not only have we lost money but lost 10yrs of ground.
Far too often managers have compromised on player choices because of an overall master plan- not pay a certain wage ,fee or player too old. We have made the simple difficult. I do not feel we have to spend 50mil on a player but we cannot afford anymore Aspas,Alberto,loris situations where 20mil was spent on players who will never offer any reward - madness.
The recovery and growth will be maintained but at what level? We are very much well placed but can sorely afford an early champs league exit and more dropped daft league points..
You are absolutely right I thought of starting a post on this. FSG are building two new stands Moores build three. All this sponsorship and TV money is not John Henrys ability as a businessman but the amounts of money coming into the game. He might be a better businessman than moores but how much managing does he or indeed moores do ? Are the management under FSG better than Moores its hard to say they are. If redeveloping Anfield is the answer we could have done so a decade ago under moores. Moores sold out because he though we could not compete and needed a new stadium in the end we delyed ten years and got the same end result. Another thing Moores loved the club for all his faults I suspect Henry barely looks at the results.
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Fully agree cp, but I’d stress that the mistakes we’ve made in the past and the moneys spent is water under the bridge, as far as I’m concerned. Theres little to be gained by looking backwards and less to be gained by using it to defend the current policies and penny pinching approach, and yet we see too much of that on this forum.
As far as the current regime goes, it can hardly be said that the current manager is responsible for compromising on player choices as some persist in doing. He’s labouring under what you describe as "an overall master plan" that makes no sense in a league as competitive as the PL. He has called publicly for quality over quantity in both of the last seasons to no avail. The buy cheap young potential policy still rules ok in the main, and predictably results in what you describe as “madness”. Yet there are posters who defend and make excuses for this policy and the equally mad decision on the stadium. It must now be clear that current policy is the path towards perpetual mediocrity. What self respecting fan support let alone defend such policies
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It just pains me because all that wasted money we could of done an Arsenal and built a new stadium that would of helped us in the long run, instead we kept spending and spending on players that mostly never worked out and as a result we've been standing still since Instanbul. The expectations lower when year after year you're spending 200m a summer and getting no end result. The title has elluded us for a quarter century so sadly fans just start expecting mediocrity because the club has offered no hope to its fans. Last season was a rare bright spot that I fear will be less frequent for the coming years. Its the sad truth.
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