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I am having an online chat in a football forum I asked the question what was the numbers marko and you once again resort to petty insults if you are done that's fine by me you never contribute anything sensible anyway
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I am with virgin and I read something about the challenge from them. More generally I think football will burst I think it's unsustainable in time I believe it will revert back to match going fans there will still be TV rights of course but the trend will be larger stadia and match experience similar to America, We see with BT where household charges are being increased to pay for the football it's reached it's limit and I feel also sponsorship will start to level out. It's simple economics no one is making money from football other than players and agents that can't go on. sIMILLAR TO aMERICA? Do you think the NFL and NBA make most of their money from the match going fans? I did not say that and no I don't
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I agree the bubble won't burst now vish but will slow for sure we won't see the BT deal bettered you can bet on that. Re the emerging markets which countries do you see growth ? The way I see it the biggest emergers are India China and Latin America Brazil etc they might buy prem football but they have their own sports yes a small percentage is a lot of people but I don't see the big opportunity. The growth in the prem is reaching it's limit even if it takes ten years as you say what then ? Biggest growth forcasted are Sub Saharan Africa and Asia (not only India and China but almost all countries there except Japan and probably Korea). I think US will also be a major contributor, those living there will know better, it's not for nothing that all top teams are flying there every summer. I am sure that there won't be one deal bettering BT, however, I am sure that non UK broadcasting will be more than UK. Non UK is already 40% growing from almost nothing less than a decade ago.
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I agree the bubble won't burst now vish but will slow for sure we won't see the BT deal bettered you can bet on that. Re the emerging markets which countries do you see growth ? The way I see it the biggest emergers are India China and Latin America Brazil etc they might buy prem football but they have their own sports yes a small percentage is a lot of people but I don't see the big opportunity. The growth in the prem is reaching it's limit even if it takes ten years as you say what then ? Biggest growth forcasted are Sub Saharan Africa and Asia (not only India and China but almost all countries there except Japan and probably Korea). I think US will also be a major contributor, those living there will know better, it's not for nothing that all top teams are flying there every summer. I am sure that there won't be one deal bettering BT, however, I am sure that non UK broadcasting will be more than UK. Non UK is already 40% growing from almost nothing less than a decade ago. Thank you I don't agree with you most of the time but at least you can put up an argument
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Those countries will show growth vish but I feel the big growth areas have already happened re the US knowing the Americans I can't see them adopting a foreign sport there will be growth (almost from zero) but again it won't be massive I feel. In the past years premiership football has seen unrestricted growth the next ten years won't I feel and although it may not collapse it will slow. The only growth I see is in overseas markets and that's more transient and high risk than the domestic market. I am trying to think if I supported a Chinese team in say basketball how loyal would I be ? I would flit back and to as I felt like it in think. It's a different concept
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I agree the bubble won't burst now vish but will slow for sure we won't see the BT deal bettered you can bet on that. Re the emerging markets which countries do you see growth ? The way I see it the biggest emergers are India China and Latin America Brazil etc they might buy prem football but they have their own sports yes a small percentage is a lot of people but I don't see the big opportunity. The growth in the prem is reaching it's limit even if it takes ten years as you say what then ? Biggest growth forcasted are Sub Saharan Africa and Asia (not only India and China but almost all countries there except Japan and probably Korea). I think US will also be a major contributor, those living there will know better, it's not for nothing that all top teams are flying there every summer. I am sure that there won't be one deal bettering BT, however, I am sure that non UK broadcasting will be more than UK. Non UK is already 40% growing from almost nothing less than a decade ago. Thank you I don't agree with you most of the time but at least you can put up an argument This is why you won't agree with what I think the LFC long term plan is, but I am sure there is a realistic plan where we will be at worse the 3th best club in UK and at best 2nd, behind United. We could still become the best, but this will depend on United owners and them getting very unlucky.
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Those countries will show growth vish but I feel the big growth areas have already happened re the US knowing the Americans I can't see them adopting a foreign sport there will be growth (almost from zero) but again it won't be massive I feel. In the past years premiership football has seen unrestricted growth the next ten years won't I feel and although it may not collapse it will slow. The only growth I see is in overseas markets and that's more transient and high risk than the domestic market. I am trying to think if I supported a Chinese team in say basketball how loyal would I be ? I would flit back and to as I felt like it in think. It's a different concept Fans are loyal wherever they are, with all due respect, I don't think you are more loyal than me or Marko or Snakeye or Aspacious to namea few. However, NEW overseas fans are created mainly by success on the pitch. You cannot compare with a chinese basket ball team as it's not your passion while EPL football is for a lot of people.
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I look at it like this.
2 years ago the Sky Subscription for me was £75. Got Broadband and calls included for that and now it is under £60 but they want my money for longer so by giving me a deal they get it. If I walk to BT they get nothing and they dont want that to happen.
If I want a shirt to support my team then that is different. The price gets more and more each year.
Similarly if I want a ticket because of demand I will have to pay more.
Will the bubble burst?
NEVER !
As sure as families with nobody working full time with mum and dad both smoking and drinking and going on holiday every year there aint no way this bubble is going to burst.
Everyone finds a way of paying for it and watching it and betting on it. There are too many things riding on it for it to burst. It will just keep snowballing year after year because we will keep paying for it like crazed drug addicts to get our fix.
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Those countries will show growth vish but I feel the big growth areas have already happened re the US knowing the Americans I can't see them adopting a foreign sport there will be growth (almost from zero) but again it won't be massive I feel. In the past years premiership football has seen unrestricted growth the next ten years won't I feel and although it may not collapse it will slow. The only growth I see is in overseas markets and that's more transient and high risk than the domestic market. I am trying to think if I supported a Chinese team in say basketball how loyal would I be ? I would flit back and to as I felt like it in think. It's a different concept Fans are loyal wherever they are, with all due respect, I don't think you are more loyal than me or Marko or Snakeye or Aspacious to namea few. However, NEW overseas fans are created mainly by success on the pitch. You cannot compare with a chinese basket ball team as it's not your passion while EPL football is for a lot of people. I am not more loyal than anyone can't recall saying I was. In fact I do everything I can to avoid paying money to the club these days including merchandise I would class myself as disloyal in that respect. But it's all about paying money with sky my outlay is about £1100 per annum which I pay because I want to, not out if stupid loyalty how can I be loyal to an American billionaire ?
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I look at it like this.
2 years ago the Sky Subscription for me was £75. Got Broadband and calls included for that and now it is under £60 but they want my money for longer so by giving me a deal they get it. If I walk to BT they get nothing and they dont want that to happen.
If I want a shirt to support my team then that is different. The price gets more and more each year.
Similarly if I want a ticket because of demand I will have to pay more.
Will the bubble burst?
NEVER !
As sure as families with nobody working full time with mum and dad both smoking and drinking and going on holiday every year there aint no way this bubble is going to burst.
Everyone finds a way of paying for it and watching it and betting on it. There are too many things riding on it for it to burst. It will just keep snowballing year after year because we will keep paying for it like crazed drug addicts to get our fix. Well Man United are struggling to sell out as are most prem clubs and have you seen rugby league games recently ? Both BT and Virgin are jibbing at the costs. Yes there will always be people wanting their fix as you say but things are definitely slowing. I give the example of rugby league because that sport is struggling with ticket prices and sky same thing happening in football to a lesser extent because it's a bigger sport
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