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I know you aren't starting an argument, just thinking though, I would have though that Liverpools popularity reached it's heights during and after our glory years. I'm not so sure we were more popular prior to that.

You see, I believe that the demographic has changed, but not due to ticket pricing, but rather due to ticket availability and the procedure of getting one. The structure of the season ticket sales is such that it makes it almost impossible for new fans to get their hands on season tickets, rather they remain in the hands of the few lucky ones and the average age of the average season ticket holder is getting older. This is a huge problem in my eyes. Young fans should be given a chance. I would make it so that people who havent had a season ticket before have preferance, and then those that are left over can be sold according to the "longest standing fan" procedure.

Anfield would be exploding with sound every season.

I am sure that ticket prices do have a huge role to play too, obviously, not every youngster can afford them, but many still can and i dont think we would have a problem selling out.

Once again, this isn't a dig at long standing fans, it is an idea of how to raise the roof at Anfield. I know many of the season ticket holders who have been going for years want to be rewarded for their loyalty by having priority over the tickets, but thinking about the future of the club, an influx of younger fans is badly needed and that will only come with success on the pitch and a complete change in the way match tickets are sold as well as the way season tickets are sold.

I believe every fan from overseas will tell you it is a real mission to get tickets for any of our games, even against the weakest of opposition. It really is very difficult. That needs to be simplified.

You think that the 95k fans in 0z was because of match going fans? If yes I am not sure. I notice that all clubs in England have a good local (English) fan base whether they are top of the league or not, I might be mistaken but football in UK is very popular. The difference is the global fan base and this is mainly based on success even if we have not been that great during a whole generation, we have had a few great moments. In short, local fan base is the qualifier (without it you cannot exist) and global fan base is the differentiator (this is what makes the difference on the commercial front)

Stan's a retired accountant. I see accountants, engineers, teachers as ordinary folk nowadays. I mean, an honours degree used to be held in high regard, now its a basic prerequisite for any middle class job. Even a masters degree is becoming a big prerequisite. The demographic has changed, but that has a lot to do with technical and industrial change too, many dock workers have been replaced by machinery etc etc.

As i said, i think the average age of the match going fan has risen due to many aspects, mainly our lack of success on the field in the past 20 years. The match going fans today are the loyal fans and the the remnants of those who were in their twenties during our glory days.

Bring success to the pitch and watch the influx of a new generation of fans in their early teens, coming with their parents. It has been seen over and over again with every successful club. That's how i see it at least.

Well that theory goes out if the window I was in Manchester last night at the theatre and got a copy of the Manchester evening news. Man city have just opened a £200m training ground which is more than the whole redevelopment of John Henry. Also if you believe anything Alan sugar says then you need your head examining he is just a TV personality these days and his amstad days are decades ago

There is also nothing to stop us taking out a 30 year loan

I bet he knows A lot more about these things than you Stan!!!

The other thing to understand about city is yes they got the stadium free or almost free but they are developing the complex and putting hundreds of millions into the eithad campus

I would like to bet the doesn't he knows [oops] all about the north west of England and the regeneration I work in it

No offence Stan but you talk like you are one of the head engineers or spatial planners, architects working on the regeneration but in actual fact, you are just a service for them. You crunch the numbers a bit, you parent involved with the design, investment or decision making as far as the project is concerned. That's how i understood it, maybe I'm mistaken.