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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
We do need to be successful on the pitch vish but we also need to be successful off it to be successful on the pitch. I know your logic is we need to hold back investment in our infrastructure in order to buy better players in order to be successful on the pitch in order to buy better players. There are some flaws in that though firstly as you know you can waste tens of millions in players that can come to nothing. Second a bigger infrastructure will have short term cash flow but once payback it's pure profit. The factor I was drawing attention to is our limiting factor is not the opportunity but the investment for the sake of £300m we are limiting the club. I do understand why John Henry does not want to risk that but that's a factor of his limited funds. My idea of a consortium could provide the wider spread of risk that enables the required investment. John Henry might not want to do that of course but I am thinking only of what's best for the club not what John Henry might do or not do. As for your analogy of Manchester United and their capitalisation well can I point out their stadium and their bigger merchandising and sponsorship which is my whole point. If Manchester United had a ground like Liverpool's I doubt the glazier family could afford to finance it the day of the single moderately wealthy ownership in today's game is over.


I understand what you are saying but you don't need to do everything in one go, we are going to increase the capacity by 30% and it is the increase in corporate seats that is going to be significant, this is good enough for the next 10-15 years I am sure. We don't need a bigger than 60k stadium right now, even the new stadium was going to be a 60k seater as you know. Yes we might need more seats in 15 years, but I am sure there will be a solution then even if there is a need to move away from the Anfield region completely. You even said that given the future transport infrastructure development, Stanley Park might not be the best location.

What if we build a brand new 60k seater for 500m and miss on CL because we have to sell our best players as Arsenal did for almost a decade? We might then not even be able to fill the 60k stadium, let alone expanding it. I don't even think that a Sugar Daddy would wish to build a bigger stadium given the uncertainty regarding football, neither Abramovich nor Mansoor are going beyond 60k, they might, but nobody knows. The only thing that will make the difference for sure is success on the pitch and more corporate seats and an Anfield redevelopment provides this in the least risky way.

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Originally Posted By: boxmonkey
Is there any real world examples? I don't know enough about other clubs ownership to know if this is a current trend or just an idea you've come up with.


It seems to be another attempt at getting the "We need a new stadium" argument going "or FSG out" from him. At least this time around there is a attempt to be less narrow minded but it sorta gets lost in translation in the middle for me.

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Originally Posted By: boxmonkey
Is there any real world examples? I don't know enough about other clubs ownership to know if this is a current trend or just an idea you've come up with.


It's a thought about Liverpool FC and I thought a Liverpool FC forum might be the place to put it. But everything I have said us true the clubs don't make much money all the TV money does go to players a football club is not a proposition unless you are prepared to risk hundreds of millions or is any of that not true ?


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Originally Posted By: boxmonkey
Is there any real world examples? I don't know enough about other clubs ownership to know if this is a current trend or just an idea you've come up with.


It seems to be another attempt at getting the "We need a new stadium" argument going "or FSG out" from him. At least this time around there is a attempt to be less narrow minded but it sorta gets lost in translation in the middle for me.

My 14 year old would read this and ask: " Dad stubborn much?"

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Address the points made in the original post a 14 year old could pass insults. Are you an adult ? Then answer them


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No need to be defensive stan I'm only asking if the consortium type ownership exists anywhere else because I genuinely don't know. I'm sure some teams are owned by large groups of owners but I don't know any of which are investing 100's of millions improving the infrastructure of those clubs.

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Originally Posted By: boxmonkey
No need to be defensive stan I'm only asking if the consortium type ownership exists anywhere else because I genuinely don't know. I'm sure some teams are owned by large groups of owners but I don't know any of which are investing 100's of millions improving the infrastructure of those clubs.


I can't think of any box but I am sure clever financiers could work something it would have to be a promise of future equity and obviously the investor would have to be seriously risk non adverse either some rich Arab who fancies a punt and the prestige without the trouble of full ownership or perhaps big corporations in some form of partnership deal. We are only looking at £400m I know that sounds a lot but in the right circles it's chicken feed


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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Originally Posted By: boxmonkey
Is there any real world examples? I don't know enough about other clubs ownership to know if this is a current trend or just an idea you've come up with.


It's a thought about Liverpool FC and I thought a Liverpool FC forum might be the place to put it. But everything I have said us true the clubs don't make much money all the TV money does go to players a football club is not a proposition unless you are prepared to risk hundreds of millions or is any of that not true ?


I don't think money is the problem, as you rightly said Henry can easily raise that kind of money. The problem is the return. Let's say we build 15k more seats to reach 75k and lets say everything was sold for 1000 quids for a season. That would be 15m of additional revenue for 350m of additional investment (a new 75k stadium will probably cost at least 500m). You can hardly pay your interest with 15m of additional revenue let alone the capital repayment, so you will find no consortium to invest in such a project.

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Next season any club making the group stages of the CL from the prem will earn £170m in tv money alone. In 10 years if global tv deals keep increasing which looks likely because the prem and CL are becoming popular worldwide then who knows how much clubs will earn from TV. In this scenario two things will happen

1. Money earned at the ground on match day will become the smallest proportion of a clubs revenue meaning it will be a much more level playing field for clubs with Smaller and bigger grounds.

2. If say in 10-15 years the tv money keeps going the way it is now clubs could potentially earn £300m+ a year from tv alone, so if any club wanted to build a new ground it would be very affordable even when you take inflation into consideration.

So my conclusion is the most important thing for Liverpool right now is to increase capacity ASAP so we have money available to compete NOW! CL football is needed right now for Liverpool because if we over extended on a new stadium now and miss the CL for the next 10 years we'll be finished.

I would love owners to come in and gives it all, the stadium and the team but I don't think its realistic and certainly not as easy as you make it sound.

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It's not easy and I never said it was and vish I do understand it won't pay back in the short term. The stadium is about far more than ticket income it markets the club. I occasionally watch Spanish football but only when it's played at the big stadiums if real and barca played in small stadia it would not have the same appeal yes I like the quality football but it's the occasion and spectacle as well. The top prem clubs will need to be in that game. Liverpool will not be immune. It's clear to me the multi millionaire owner trying to make a profit no longer works and premiership clubs are now so big some new format is needed that does not require self financing in the short term,

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Your the only football fan I've ever come across that thinks watching football on tv is only worth watching if it's in a massive stadium. The concourse, the infrastructure, the hotel outside, the restaurants all mean nothing to the viewer on tv. The only thing that matters to the tv viewer is atmosphere! The view of the Kop in full flow with the flags and banners is probably one of the most iconic pictures in football.

I believe your seeing from a completely different viewpoint from most of us because you are a regular match goer so you care more about all the things listed above.

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