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I talked about this on jj's thread about the Southampton game, but I think this warrants a thread of its own (and apparently the old tread is wrecked anyway). For some reason, everyone seems to think that Mignolet's distribution is poor, but it's simply not true. Here's a statistical comparison to all of our rivals's keepers last year (I also included Bregovic because so many people rate him). Here are squawka's results:
Player----- Pass Ac. --Pass completion -----Dist. Acuracy
Mignolet ----70% --------11.82 ----------69%
Howard -----60% --------10.22 ----------68%
Lloris -------47% ---------6.84 ----------53%
De Gea ------56% ---------8.03 ----------62%
Cech --------52% ---------6.91 ----------60%
Begovic ------55% ---------8.25 ----------65%
Hart ---------50% ---------6.16 ----------66%
Szczesny -----65% ---------9.43 ----------69%
Not only did mignolet make more passes per game than any other top keeper, he had a higher accuracy to boot. The only stat that any of the other match him in is Szczesny's distribution accuracy, and Migs edges him in the other two categories. He has some trouble with crosses (which I think will improve), but he is a top shot stopper and a top distributer. how many of thoses passes were a few yards to the side of him to gerrard/skrtel/sakho etc? dont see him doing any passes like reina did. am not that bothered about his distribution but am very concerned about his aerial ability
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People say the same thing about Sakho, he's rubbish on the ball blah! Blah! Blah but the stats show the same thing for him. Best passer in the team.
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He never looks comfortable with the ball at his feet which is probably where the belief comes from but if he is still a top distributor despite that, then it is good to see it being disproven Agree with most of that but his problem is when he has to go long.
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Praise is a dirty word around here No praise isn’t, but stats are. They’re shifty eyed deceitful little basturds, as in 'lies, damn lies and statistics'. absolutely not to be trusted under any circumstances! In fact I’d rate them more dangerous than an outbreak of Ebola! You on drugs?  No never did the junkie bit. However I do tend to get my heckles up in the most rabid fashion, whenever I sniff one of those sneaky little runty misshapen stats, lurking rodent like in the unenlightened shadowlands of enfeebled minds, spreading discord and confusion among the great unwashed!
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People say the same thing about Sakho, he's rubbish on the ball blah! Blah! Blah but the stats show the same thing for him. Best passer in the team. Not after that cross to Stirling from Henderson on Sunday. 
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I talked about this on jj's thread about the Southampton game, but I think this warrants a thread of its own (and apparently the old tread is wrecked anyway). For some reason, everyone seems to think that Mignolet's distribution is poor, but it's simply not true. Here's a statistical comparison to all of our rivals's keepers last year (I also included Bregovic because so many people rate him). Here are squawka's results:
Player----- Pass Ac. --Pass completion -----Dist. Acuracy
Mignolet ----70% --------11.82 ----------69%
Howard -----60% --------10.22 ----------68%
Lloris -------47% ---------6.84 ----------53%
De Gea ------56% ---------8.03 ----------62%
Cech --------52% ---------6.91 ----------60%
Begovic ------55% ---------8.25 ----------65%
Hart ---------50% ---------6.16 ----------66%
Szczesny -----65% ---------9.43 ----------69%
Not only did mignolet make more passes per game than any other top keeper, he had a higher accuracy to boot. The only stat that any of the other match him in is Szczesny's distribution accuracy, and Migs edges him in the other two categories. He has some trouble with crosses (which I think will improve), but he is a top shot stopper and a top distributer. how many of thoses passes were a few yards to the side of him to gerrard/skrtel/sakho etc? dont see him doing any passes like reina did. am not that bothered about his distribution but am very concerned about his aerial ability There's something in that, but I just ran the numbers and he makes significantly more forward passes than any of the others. His average pass length is shorter than most of them, but I think that's because of our system of possession and distribution through Gerrard. With regards to his ariel ability, yes, he was inferior in that respect last season. His Ariel duels won percentage was the lowest of the bunch (80%), but it's nothing to sneeze at. His total one-on-one duels won percentage is also second only to Cech and Begovic. I think it's also important to note that Migs was the only keeper in the group that was in his first season at his respective team. Now that he's had a year to settle, I predict a big improvement, much like what we saw in De Gea.
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He never looks comfortable with the ball at his feet which is probably where the belief comes from but if he is still a top distributor despite that, then it is good to see it being disproven Agree with most of that but his problem is when he has to go long. I don't think that's going to be much of an issue though. Our team isn't set up for him to make long passes. Rodgers likes us to build from the back. Gerrard and the Centre backs are more in charge of that sort of thing.
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Praise is a dirty word around here +1 Praise = Positivity on here
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If all else fails say that word outstanding a couple of times. The more you do the more you will believe your own spin.
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I talked about this on jj's thread about the Southampton game, but I think this warrants a thread of its own (and apparently the old tread is wrecked anyway). For some reason, everyone seems to think that Mignolet's distribution is poor, but it's simply not true. Here's a statistical comparison to all of our rivals's keepers last year (I also included Bregovic because so many people rate him). Here are squawka's results:
Player----- Pass Ac. --Pass completion -----Dist. Acuracy
Mignolet ----70% --------11.82 ----------69%
Howard -----60% --------10.22 ----------68%
Lloris -------47% ---------6.84 ----------53%
De Gea ------56% ---------8.03 ----------62%
Cech --------52% ---------6.91 ----------60%
Begovic ------55% ---------8.25 ----------65%
Hart ---------50% ---------6.16 ----------66%
Szczesny -----65% ---------9.43 ----------69%
Not only did mignolet make more passes per game than any other top keeper, he had a higher accuracy to boot. The only stat that any of the other match him in is Szczesny's distribution accuracy, and Migs edges him in the other two categories. He has some trouble with crosses (which I think will improve), but he is a top shot stopper and a top distributer. I don't think the stats give a good picture because we play differently, ie, most of the time we play from the keeper making short passes to the defender. Now if in other teams they kick the ball forward much more than us, the accuracy would be lower
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I talked about this on jj's thread about the Southampton game, but I think this warrants a thread of its own (and apparently the old tread is wrecked anyway). For some reason, everyone seems to think that Mignolet's distribution is poor, but it's simply not true. Here's a statistical comparison to all of our rivals's keepers last year (I also included Bregovic because so many people rate him). Here are squawka's results:
Player----- Pass Ac. --Pass completion -----Dist. Acuracy
Mignolet ----70% --------11.82 ----------69%
Howard -----60% --------10.22 ----------68%
Lloris -------47% ---------6.84 ----------53%
De Gea ------56% ---------8.03 ----------62%
Cech --------52% ---------6.91 ----------60%
Begovic ------55% ---------8.25 ----------65%
Hart ---------50% ---------6.16 ----------66%
Szczesny -----65% ---------9.43 ----------69%
Not only did mignolet make more passes per game than any other top keeper, he had a higher accuracy to boot. The only stat that any of the other match him in is Szczesny's distribution accuracy, and Migs edges him in the other two categories. He has some trouble with crosses (which I think will improve), but he is a top shot stopper and a top distributer. dont have to convince me i like the lad he is a very top keeper and he won liverpool 3 points on sunday especially his save on to the bar .
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