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Marquee signing my fat ass we need committed players, players who are hungry, who want to prove themselves and who want to and can win. Not premadonnas with massive pay packets who are useless and a hindrance to progress. Sod Madrid, Barca, City, Chelsea and all these other plastic clubs.
Judge the players at the end of the season and get rid of the FM / FIFA mentality. Cannot disagree with THAT! Must be an age thing this, but i just CANNOT get steamed up and hysterical about all this will he won't he, can we, can't we, must have at all costs shyte. Doesn't mean I'm not passionate about my club though. Just don't get it, soz.
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F Marquee signing my fat ass we need committed players, players who are hungry, who want to prove themselves and who want to and can win. Not premadonnas with massive pay packets who are useless and a hindrance to progress. Sod Madrid, Barca, City, Chelsea and all these other plastic clubs.
Judge the players at the end of the season and get rid of the FM / FIFA mentality. Cannot disagree with THAT! Must be an age thing this, but i just CANNOT get steamed up and hysterical about all this will he won't he, can we, can't we, must have at all costs shyte. Doesn't mean I'm not passionate about my club though. Just don't get it, soz. This! We will find out what we need to know in good time.
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F Marquee signing my fat ass we need committed players, players who are hungry, who want to prove themselves and who want to and can win. Not premadonnas with massive pay packets who are useless and a hindrance to progress. Sod Madrid, Barca, City, Chelsea and all these other plastic clubs.
Judge the players at the end of the season and get rid of the FM / FIFA mentality. Cannot disagree with THAT! Must be an age thing this, but i just CANNOT get steamed up and hysterical about all this will he won't he, can we, can't we, must have at all costs shyte. Doesn't mean I'm not passionate about my club though. Just don't get it, soz. This! We will find out what we need to know in good time. Not an age thing, I'm not even 24 yet and I think the same way. As much as I get excited by football and the club... Sign at all costs... Seriously?!
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I've been back on the site for a couple of days and noticed that I'm continually seeing threads talking about Lallana and Kroos, for example, and how the latter was £3m cheaper. Honestly, we aren't a Madrid or Barcelona at the moment, and nor, really, would we want to be. It is okay attracting bigger players, but they also demand a hell of a lot more for a weekly wage, when they know they can get it. Kroos and Lallana as player comparison proves that English players are over-priced, but, is Kroos really suited to our style of play, is he suited to the PL... Look at the teams in the PL that have done well and won things. Are they teams with mountains worth of international talent? No... They have a good mix of English players in there too, that are consistent and used to the brand and style of football that makes the PL so unique.
So, when you're discussing values, think about it. Kroos is not going to move to us, when we've only competed for one league title in 5 years, and only just got back into the CL in that time. He wouldn't trade a back-up place for the CL Finalists or previous finalists for that. In terms of value, you pay for more than just talent. Risk versus reward comes into play. So does experience. We know, in Lallana, we're getting a form player that is used to similar football. You could argue that instant adaptability is worth paying a premium for... especally when you think about the amount of new players we need to bed quickly...
SO... what i'm saying is... lets stop belittling moves being made with random others... We signed Lallana... He has don't nothing in a red shirt to not deserve time to prove his value... And he has proven at his last club to be a key player, and achieve a lot, considering his limited experience in the top division. Is debating his value against an unrealistic target really worth it? Hey, why couldn't we have bought Van Persie, Michu and Matic when we sold Torres... That idea literally isn't worth the pixels its viewed as. Great post well said. I totally agree
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Whilst I agree with what's being said, I'm not sure the comments of a few individuals (mainly in the shout box) are really worthy of drawing this much attention to. Also, if people aren't happy with deals done so far, it's their choice to voice their opinions.
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Well said jj. Bunch of [oops] kids on her crying because we didn't buy who they did on FIFA! If we bought all the players these children cry about we'd have 50 [oops] players!! +1 basically sums up why I don't do too many serious posts on here these days. Too many people trying to plug some kid that you've never heard of bit is "the next Ronaldo." I'm more concerned about the players we do buy than those we don't.
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sixties, i'm not trying to put myself ahead or anything like that. Being unrealistic devalues your comments. I'm merely raising it for discussion, albeit boldly, by saying why set unrealistic targets that most on here are aware are never going to happen.
When I was last on here, I felt isolated in my thoughts about the club. Without wanting to sound like the guy saying I told you so, we had a great season, we did very very well in the league, and most of what i suggested came true. Now... I'm not on here now to say that and think my voice should be heard above anybody elses... but there is such a thing as realism...
Suarez never came from a crap league. The eredivisie is a good european league, shy of the big 4/5... His stats proved he was a finisher, and it took him time to find those finishing boots in the PL. Aspas was underwhelming. Alberto was never expected to start for us. He's a guy for the future that fell victim to our success last year. Any other year, he'd have had chances. Moses isn't a terrible player, and he barely played. Cissokho wasn't awful either, but competition led to Flanagan impressing.
I think the club has a hell of a lot of money. I just posted about Rodgers recent comments, and the fact that our spending could be the most any club has made in a single season... That, I guess, could be the benefit of reducing our spending for the past couple of years... I can understand wanting world class players. Heck, I'd love a Messi to join, but I don't understand the mentality that we live or die by signing Sanchez, or how we should've been able to compete with Europes very best, when we've not even won the league, or competed in the CL for nearly 5 years! That is not to say we aren't a great club or worthy of a lot... more a case of realisation that we look attractive to players that are happy to work hard, train hard, are young and want opportunities... or... talent in the league that is deserving of a bigger stage... like Lallana for example.
I like that people want to spend money on class... So why isn't there better debate/discussion on why people think that. It all ends up being defensive and attack-minded... I don't judge anyone that believes things, so long as there is fair amount of discussion, opinion and reason. The debate is basically, would we rather settle for our squad and sign a couple of top players... or stage a big re-build of the squad so we can compete on more fronts, and make moves for players that haven't proven, YET, that they're as good... That discussion sounds awesome. I want Kroos over Lallana does nothing for anyone...
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i agree. its achievable and realistic...
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Agree with most ! but your never going to get people to not wish and want the best ! I am happy to a degree on what we have purchased so far but if lallana or marko are our answer to loosing suarez I'm sorry but that is very underwhelming i
believe we have bought some very good potential in marko some prem experience in lallana not sure about Can and Lambert is a good option up front but its not going to replace what we had with Suarez!
now if we got a bony, or a ballotini or similar (spelling) that would appease me somewhat but still believe we need some class in CM and in defence i dont think that is unrealistic or un achievable Baloteli? I would be very unhappy if we bought him. He has the talent which he uses every now and then, and is lazy most of the time thinking that he is the centre of the world. Just an example that views differ, I would prefer Bony or Greizman over Balotelli anytime.
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