KopTalk.com Forums Football Liverpool FC Forum Stop with the... but this guy is better and cheaper rubbish.

I've been back on the site for a couple of days and noticed that I'm continually seeing threads talking about Lallana and Kroos, for example, and how the latter was £3m cheaper. Honestly, we aren't a Madrid or Barcelona at the moment, and nor, really, would we want to be. It is okay attracting bigger players, but they also demand a hell of a lot more for a weekly wage, when they know they can get it. Kroos and Lallana as player comparison proves that English players are over-priced, but, is Kroos really suited to our style of play, is he suited to the PL... Look at the teams in the PL that have done well and won things. Are they teams with mountains worth of international talent? No... They have a good mix of English players in there too, that are consistent and used to the brand and style of football that makes the PL so unique.

So, when you're discussing values, think about it. Kroos is not going to move to us, when we've only competed for one league title in 5 years, and only just got back into the CL in that time. He wouldn't trade a back-up place for the CL Finalists or previous finalists for that. In terms of value, you pay for more than just talent. Risk versus reward comes into play. So does experience. We know, in Lallana, we're getting a form player that is used to similar football. You could argue that instant adaptability is worth paying a premium for... especally when you think about the amount of new players we need to bed quickly...

SO... what i'm saying is... lets stop belittling moves being made with random others... We signed Lallana... He has don't nothing in a red shirt to not deserve time to prove his value... And he has proven at his last club to be a key player, and achieve a lot, considering his limited experience in the top division. Is debating his value against an unrealistic target really worth it? Hey, why couldn't we have bought Van Persie, Michu and Matic when we sold Torres... That idea literally isn't worth the pixels its viewed as.

A lot of rules for us to follow I am just writing them down now

When you consider what you can buy for £25m the Lallana signing is a joke for a 1 season wonder in the premiership. I'm happy we signed him but we were mugged. We have not signed one exciting player yet. When Suarez signed for us I was excited - his stats made you excited. It was pretty obvious there was a good chance he'd be brilliant for us.

Well said jj. Bunch of [oops] kids on her crying because we didn't buy who they did on FIFA! If we bought all the players these children cry about we'd have 50 [oops] players!!

It's not about one player. It's a TEAM game. Yes he's a loss but he wasn't the only one who contributed last season. Far from it if you consider he was injured and suspended for 6 games for being a knob head!

There are no rules, nor do I claim to run the place. I'm just frustrated by unrealistic threads making bold claims, by people who think they're justified... Kroos is a great player, I'd love to have him, but we never stood a chance signing him from the last Champions of Europe, managed by one of the best managers in Europe... Nor is it realistic to think we could compete with Real, the current European Champions, even if his price is lower.

To me, Lallana is over-priced... A joke, that seems a stretch. At 26, he is at/nearing his peak, on that back of three successful years at Southampton where he has been captain, a true leader, and provided goals and assists in the league we signed him from (the same one). There are no language barriers, no climate adjustment, no real need for a bedding period, (given he has played with a few of the boys at international level already). He was a key player for a top half of the table side, under a manager who managed to get the team to tick playing possession based football with a bright counter-attacking style (which should sound at least a little like ourselves). If you want a player to be settled quickly and be able to impress from the off, you can't really ask for much else. Just because he hasn't played in Europe, doesn't mean he won't suit it. His character takes priority, which is why Southamptons previous captain is now a first-choice attacking midfielder for us...

I can understand feeling underwhelmed. We don't have a big-name signing. To me, big-name signings are riskier as it is. For every Torres, there is a Torres... For every Shevchenko, there is another Shevchenko. You get the picture. Big-names sell shirts and can be as useless as the guy that cost you £10m less. Markovic is arguably our most exciting signing. What makes you question his ability..? Just out of interest...

He is a player who was integral in winning domestic honours, for a couple of seasons... and got the team to a European final too... Not enough?!

Everyone...well nearly....was screaming blue merder when we signed that waste of space and lazy selfish dross called Sturridge....IIRC?

If you are comparing with Kroos you need to consider that he was entering the last year of his contract and as such, his sale price got drastically discounted. Maybe you are not very familiar with this but as an example, Owen went for 8m and he was a ballon d'or. Bayern had to recover whatever they could else he would have left on a free after a year, just like Mc Manaman. Kroos having the option to go to Real would never have come to us, so stop your nonsense. By the way what was your feelibg when we bought Sturridge?

We need a 'MARQUEE' signing apparently, so some keep banging on and whinging on and on and on about.

The only marquee I want to see at the mo is one marked >>>>>>>>>> 'BEER SMOKES AND COCONUTS, THIS WAY' >>>>>>>>>>>

Marquee signing my fat ass we need committed players, players who are hungry, who want to prove themselves and who want to and can win. Not premadonnas with massive pay packets who are useless and a hindrance to progress. Sod Madrid, Barca, City, Chelsea and all these other plastic clubs.

Judge the players at the end of the season and get rid of the FM / FIFA mentality.