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Thank The Lord probably yes means yes Liverpool is outside of London the most rapidly expanding region of the UK all let's celebrate this huge milestone in our discussion

I even think vish is coming round to the notion 58k is not big enough long term for Liverpool and seems to be suggesting either a new stadium or ground sharing with Everton in about 15 years time.

Vish could you explain this a little more is that what you are saying that the FSG build is really a temporary situation to grow the club until at some stage in the future we scrap anfield and build a new stadium ?

Is that what you are saying ?

At least if we agree a baseline we can progress from there with the discussions

If there is a need to do have more seats then yes. Nobody knows whether we will need more seats or not as with a much bigger population right now, no club in London has more than 60k seats. Also, the share of revenue from seats is going down while tv money and sponsorship is increasing as the game is going global, it is happening now. We need more corporate seats which will be done soon. I don't want the club burdened by debt for infrastructure we are not sure of using even in 10 years time.

I don't think we would get planning permission for a new stadium in 15 years after redeveloping anfield in alignment with the anfield regeneration as all the roads would be designed around it. We have to face the hard fact this development is for all time with little scope for expansion or flexibility and we have this one chance to get it right

That is a hard thing to face

It's fine vish making predictions about the volume of future fans but no one knows that which is why I believe we have to have flexibility to adapt to change.

This stadium has to last us for generations and we should not let an arbitrary financial c
constraint put us in a straightjacket for all time.

Fair play to you Stan, it takes a man to apologise, but I expected nothing less.

How do you know we won't get planning permission, in fact you don't and it doesn't make any sense to spend that much over so much of uncertainty that would prevent us competing for at least 10 years, we might never come back and there will be no need to further expand.

The financial constraint is real as we cannot finance that kind of expenditure, swallowing more than we can digest will kill us. It's useless to discuss further because your assumptions might never materialise and a lot of things can happen in the next decade.

Vish chances are LFC stadium plan is in Liverpool CC 15 year Core Stategy. The Core Strategy is a legal document signed off by the community and central government. You cant just change it as you feel like it. It takes up to 4 years of expensive legal battles with local community say so to change it. For major regeneration projects such as Anfield my guess is its in but wont be for the next one. Notwithstanding that why would any council rip up the roads etc having only approved them 15 years before. Trust me I work in this field in regeneration it wont happen mate. This is why Liverpools stadium took years to get the go ahead everthing has to be lined up.

We have this one chance to get it right, one chance. If you are happy with 58k good but dont think you will get another bite at the cherry in 15 years.

The other thing is at the moment government money is there right now as they are pushing billions into Liverpool in 15 years that option wont be there.

Again now or never mate

There you go twisting words again. Please quote my post where i mentioned anything even remotely suggesting Liverpool was not a quick growing region or a quick growing economy. I said you are twisting words but to call a spade a spade, you, my friend, are blatantly lying!

Please quote my post where i suggest Liverpool is not growing or admit to twisting words and lying to suit your agenda.

Agree that SP knows about changes in Liverpool more than me and I am happy to learn it from a football forum, thanks for that.

That said, there is no conclusion there that we will need more than a 60k stadium, London which already has that population doesn't have one single stadium bigger than 60k. One good thing about the Liverpool area growth is that you'll have wealthier people there and ticket prices will be able to match Chelsea and Arsenal. Last but not least, there is not much more transport infrastructure that would be required should there be a new stadium in Stanley Park...in 15 years and hopefully it would be a shared one which makes all the sense of the world except for the rivalry of match going fans.

Agree with Vish...but i would also like an apology from Stan for misquoting me and lying abiut my views. Lets see whether he will be man enough to admit he was wrong and i never said Liverpool wasn't expanding.

If I offended I apologise but as I recall marko you said the Atlantic gateway was a proposal only e.g it may just be a pipe dream. You put proposal in capital letters for me to help me understand. To be fair to you the link might have been out of date and been years old I can't remember. So I apologise but let's remember how important this thread is this is the long term future of Liverpool we are talking about get this wrong and you can look forward to supporting a club forever limited for the rest of your and your children and your grandchildrens lives.

Hence why I passionately care about this subject. Not only do I know the Liverpool region very well in my leisure time I am involved in my work in it's regeneration. In terms of the Atlantic gateway I apologise too i assumed people would have heard of it (it's very famous in the region for obvious reasons) however people not living in the region and particularly overseas people will have had no reason to have heard of it.

But any google search with Liverpool growth ports gateway will tell you all you need to know Liverpool to Manchester (Manchester will do well too) corridor will be the strongest regional economy outside London.

I will also throw in a little known fact the richest area of Britain is not London or the south as you would think but south Manchester prestbury etc where Rooney lives. About 40 miles from anfield