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Vish I understand my position is what is the point of spending £150m that us not part of a valid roadmap ? Any sensible plan would build on the money invested previously £150m is a lot of money to start again just 10 years or so later. What you seem to be saying is sort out the short term problem then let the long term take care of itself. Whereas I say I stadium is not a short term decision when did we build the last one ? 120 years ago ? Therefore the roadmap should be long term say at least 50 years to allow scope for expansion should it be needed. Let me give you an example I am involved with consultancy the Mersey gateway bridge a huge new Mersey crossing. We don't plan for that on the traffic as at today but anticipated road traffic for decades ahead and we have a plan to expand the infrastructure accordingly. That to me is not business it's plain common sense. My view is FSG are building for the short term then selling up and leaving LFC with an inadequate ground and no room to develop. I feel very strongly about this as you can see.
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Out of interest, if we did expand to 58,000 ish, there would only be (i think) 18 stadiums larger than ours in competitions we can compete in, i.e Europe and uk comps,
so from that point of view would it really be worth going larger? i would have thought more stadiums would be above the 60,000 mark by now if it was really worth that much?
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also 5 or 6 of those are stadium shares and owned by local governments so those teams wont be receiving the full financial benefit of having a stadium that large.
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Out of interest, if we did expand to 58,000 ish, there would only be (i think) 18 stadiums larger than ours in competitions we can compete in, i.e Europe and uk comps,
so from that point of view would it really be worth going larger? i would have thought more stadiums would be above the 60,000 mark by now if it was really worth that much? To me 18 is a lot of clubs Are we not setting our goals to the lowest denominator
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well since those stadium, and many more at the moment, have larger stadiums than our selves now, we are still about the 10th ish richest football club, and thats without champs league for the last few years, we will climb that list again once we are back in, so again i would argue that going larger than 60,000 is of little financial value to the club.
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well since those stadium, and many more at the moment, have larger stadiums than our selves now, we are still about the 10th ish richest football club, and thats without champs league for the last few years, we will climb that list again once we are back in, so again i would argue that going larger than 60,000 is of little financial value to the club. Well let's hope to god you are right because FSG are giving us no other option
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Vish I understand my position is what is the point of spending £150m that us not part of a valid roadmap ? Any sensible plan would build on the money invested previously £150m is a lot of money to start again just 10 years or so later. What you seem to be saying is sort out the short term problem then let the long term take care of itself. Whereas I say I stadium is not a short term decision when did we build the last one ? 120 years ago ? Therefore the roadmap should be long term say at least 50 years to allow scope for expansion should it be needed. Let me give you an example I am involved with consultancy the Mersey gateway bridge a huge new Mersey crossing. We don't plan for that on the traffic as at today but anticipated road traffic for decades ahead and we have a plan to expand the infrastructure accordingly. That to me is not business it's plain common sense. My view is FSG are building for the short term then selling up and leaving LFC with an inadequate ground and no room to develop. I feel very strongly about this as you can see. Government infrastructure is not the same as a private stadium especially if match day revenues as a proportion of total revenue is on the downwards trend with the game going more global resulting in higher sponsorship deals and tv rights which depend directly on results on the pitch. Yes if money was unlimited the club could spend like mad, otherwise, winning trophies and CL qualification is more of a priority than stadium size which also depends on demand and its price elasticity.
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HHS[s][/s] Vish I understand my position is what is the point of spending £150m that us not part of a valid roadmap ? Any sensible plan would build on the money invested previously £150m is a lot of money to start again just 10 years or so later. What you seem to be saying is sort out the short term problem then let the long term take care of itself. Whereas I say I stadium is not a short term decision when did we build the last one ? 120 years ago ? Therefore the roadmap should be long term say at least 50 years to allow scope for expansion should it be needed. Let me give you an example I am involved with consultancy the Mersey gateway bridge a huge new Mersey crossing. We don't plan for that on the traffic as at today but anticipated road traffic for decades ahead and we have a plan to expand the infrastructure accordingly. That to me is not business it's plain common sense. My view is FSG are building for the short term then selling up and leaving LFC with an inadequate ground and no room to develop. I feel very strongly about this as you can see. Government infrastructure is not the same as a private stadium especially if match day revenues as a proportion of total revenue is on the downwards trend with the game going more global resulting in higher sponsorship deals and tv rights which depend directly on results on the pitch. Yes if money was unlimited the club could spend like mad, otherwise, winning trophies and CL qualification is more of a priority than stadium size which also depends on demand and its price elasticity. Claptrap
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Government expenditure exactly like a football stadium the last stadium we built was 120 years ago stadiums are built for the long term exactly like government expenditure vish is wrong
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Government expenditure exactly like a football stadium the last stadium we built was 120 years ago stadiums are built for the long term exactly like government expenditure vish is wrong You don't know what you are talking about, Government expenditure is a social development initiative for the improvement of the life of the people while building a stadium is a private initiative for a few people. A football club is a private enterprise run just like a company with Profit and Loss accounts. Maybe you should make a petition to have the UK government to build a stadium for us.
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