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Originally Posted By: Hercules/AF 58
Originally Posted By: Ninja Skrtel
Stan, the way i see it is, there are no oil Barons lininng up to buy the club. The current owners are doing a good Job with the club. Screaming "bloodY murder" is simoly counter productive at the moment. Getting FSG to put the club up for sale now does not in any way guarantee we will get a sheikh owner. We might end up with another Hicks and Gillett. The club really needs some stability, in all departments, managerial and ownership.

Until FSG do something horribly wrong, and there are no indications of that IMO, and we are performing on and off the pitch, i see no reason to call for them to go.


There is my explanation with reasoning, for a millionth time. Perhaps you could refrain from saying we dont explain our views when in reality you bave recieved explanations from eaxh and every one of us. Granted, this is a simplified version, but right now i dont have the time for an extensive post going into detail. But i jave put thaz down in the past too.

Anyway, i am not insulting you but i have had to endure all sorts from many, including witty jabs from yourself about the fact that i am unable to attend every game. I dont mind, my dont make personal and dont fool yourself into believing that because you are a semi retired CA who has been lucky enough to go to games regularly, you are more passionate or more knowledgeable on LFC. You might well be, i am not saying you arent, but believe you me, i also want what is best for the club and fans.

FSG are like the curate’s egg; they’re good in spots. However what you describe there Ninja is the very essence of mediocrity. LFC never saw itself as 2nd best to anybody...until now and we’re being asked to accept that now, because owners unfit for the challenge, managed to nip in and pick up a bargain. That may suit the owners but what about the future standing and progress of the club. I’m a football fan and an LFC fan, I’m not an accountant, I don’t care what the owners pecuniary difficulties are, if they’re not up to the job why make excuses for them, and why are they here if it’s too much for them? If FSG made a mistake biting off more than they can chew, that shouldn’t mean LFC has to forever lower it’s ambition and end up with a miserable tarted up stadium with a mickey mouse 58,000 seats. Not to mention the begging bowl approach in the transfer market, I feel diminished and demeaned by all this poverty.


Great, why don't you hand over 30 million of your own money for Lallana then so LFC wouldn't have to pass around a begging bowl? Sorry, asking the club to pay exhorbetant fees for players is simply irresponsible.

Also, you say LFC has never been 2nd best to anyone, and that we are now being asked to accept that. I cant agree. We have been 2nd best for twenty odd years. Why put the blame on FSG? Take a look at where LFC was when FSG came in and where we are now. That is how they should be judged. Have they improved the overall standing of the club since they came in and have they improved the future prospects for the club? Yes in my opinion.

You cannot take the Liverpool from 25 years ago, and the Liverpool of today and blame FSG for the decline and collapse which occurred whilst they weren't even around.

Ever since they came in we have been the most aggressive club in the premier league when it comes to exploiting marketing potential. We are not amongst the top 5, we are TOP, number 1. More money from commercial exploits means more money for the club. FSG have taken nothing out but have put their own money in. We are finally catching up to united. I would say that we and city are the two clubs with the brightest futures in the league. City are a lot richer though, yet they only won the league by 1 point after breaching FFP regulations. United's debt will catch up with them sooner rather than later and their lack of a decent squad will put them behind.

Being responsible with spending is a good characteristic not a bad one. The fact that we don't want to throw our money down the drain should be applauded and not termed "penny pinching"


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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
So thats what we have to be grateful for Vish is it ?

We are not Leeds !!!!!!!!!!



No we are not but could end up as them if we spend beyond our means to please the ego of some fans.

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Originally Posted By: sixtiesred
This is where FSG have to be more punchy
Not in so much how much they spend as they have spent a lot but more on the quality the money spent gets that's the issue for me ! In comments below I think migs is a good signing but one that needs to improve these are not my comments below but I agree with some points , I ' ll wait for the attack dogs

After coming within just two points of winning the Premier League title for the first time in 24 years, Liverpool were the surprise package last season. They blew everyone away with their style of play. Their season quickly turned from top four ambitions to being serious contenders for the title. Brendan Rodgers was heavily praised for his rejuvenation of the Merseyside club. It takes some effort to take a club from 7th in one season to 2nd in the next, and rightly received the Manager of the Year award and a new long-term contract.

There is one major flaw in Liverpool’s armour. A flaw that needs to be addressed or it could lead to the downfall of Liverpool’s rise back to the top four. That flaw is their dealings in the transfer market. When you take a close look the signings made since Rodgers’s arrival at the club it doesn’t fill you with any great confidence.

They have made 13 signings in his two seasons at Anfield. How many of them can you say have been successful? Two. Only two out of thirteen signings you can really say they done a good bit of business, they are Daniel Sturridge and Philippe Coutinho. The rest, Liverpool have overpaid for average players.

They spent £10 million on Fabio Borini in his first year in charge. A player Rodgers had worked with in the past, when they were both at Chelsea. Yet after a disrupted first season due to injuries he was shipped out on loan to Sunderland and another striker was brought in, in the form of Iago Aspas. You could have argued that sending Borini out on loan was to give him some game time and he can be used in the season to come, with Liverpool fighting in four competitions. If that was the case then Rodgers wouldn’t have just gone out and bought Rickie Lambert. The deal for Lambert is also suspect. The deal can reach up to £9 million for a thirty plus, back up striker.

Last season, the club also spent £18 million on defender Mamadou Sakho. With an ageing defence, you would have expected Sakho to be able to walk straight into the team and perform to a high standard. Yet, he has proved to be nervous, mistake ridden and someone who you always fear will cost you a goal. When you pay that kind of money, you would expect the manager to have a clear idea how he would cope in the fast paced Premier League. Yet Liverpool shipped a staggering 50 goals last season.
The over priced signing of Andy Caroll is an example of what Liverpool will want to avoid a repeat off
This is one of the most important seasons Liverpool have had in a long time, they will be competing in four competitions and need to add strength in-depth if they are going to cope with the added fixtures. We expect them to delve heavily in the transfer market; they will need to spend more wisely than has done before, the owners can’t afford to through money at players that can’t perform to the level that’s required of them. Liverpool fans should be concerned that the transfer committee are inept at bringing in the right type of players that will improve the squad. The sooner the club realises this, the sooner something can be done about it.

http://www.footballrants.com/england/premier-league/liverpools-transfer-committee-needs-to-go/7374?
i pretty much agree with most of it, other than the Lambert signing part. I feel 4 mil is a good price for him and yes it could go up to 9mil which i a lot, but it will only reach 9 mil if he does his job well. The way i see it is, if he performs and scores lots of goals, then i have no problem paying 9 mil for him.


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Vish what you really mean is we should not spend beyond John Henry's means which is the point we are making.

He is a speculator who bought the club on the cheap (or so he thought) now he is finding out running a top prem club is harder than he thought so we have to cut our cloth to suit the pocket of John Henry

Great !


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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Originally Posted By: Maxi88
No problem with challenging them Stanley but the major issue is your dismissal of positive things they have done for the club. Your personal views over the stadium have made you incredibly biased


They have brought some stability to the club I accept. The appointment of dalglish was a catastrophe and reckless as any google search would have told them. They redeemed themselves with the appointment of Rodgers. As for the sponsorship if no other club was getting it then yes but we are doing no better than the other top 5 as far as I can see. All these positives are not nearly enough to meet the clubs needs. We are second best and it seems fans accept second best which is the more worrying, As for me being incredibly biased I dispute that rather more likely I have a view that differs from yours and hence once again out come the insults and labels. I want what's best for the club and as for mr Henry's financial challenges that's his business if he is not up to the job then he should clear off and allow someone in who is


Actually we were top of the sponsorship table last season, in terms of increase.

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Originally Posted By: Ninja Skrtel
Stan, the way i see it is, there are no oil Barons lininng up to buy the club. The current owners are doing a good Job with the club. Screaming "bloodY murder" is simoly counter productive at the moment. Getting FSG to put the club up for sale now does not in any way guarantee we will get a sheikh owner. We might end up with another Hicks and Gillett. The club really needs some stability, in all departments, managerial and ownership.

Until FSG do something horribly wrong, and there are no indications of that IMO, and we are performing on and off the pitch, i see no reason to call for them to go.


There is my explanation with reasoning, for a millionth time. Perhaps you could refrain from saying we dont explain our views when in reality you bave recieved explanations from eaxh and every one of us. Granted, this is a simplified version, but right now i dont have the time for an extensive post going into detail. But i jave put thaz down in the past too.

Anyway, i am not insulting you but i have had to endure all sorts from many, including witty jabs from yourself about the fact that i am unable to attend every game. I dont mind, my dont make personal and dont fool yourself into believing that because you are a semi retired CA who has been lucky enough to go to games regularly, you are more passionate or more knowledgeable on LFC. You might well be, i am not saying you arent, but believe you me, i also want what is best for the club and fans.

FSG are like the curate’s egg; they’re good in spots. However what you describe there Ninja is the very essence of mediocrity. LFC never saw itself as 2nd best to anybody...until now and we’re being asked to accept that now, because owners unfit for the challenge, managed to nip in and pick up a bargain. That may suit the owners but what about the future standing and progress of the club. I’m a football fan and an LFC fan, I’m not an accountant, I don’t care what the owners pecuniary difficulties are, if they’re not up to the job why make excuses for them, and why are they here if it’s too much for them? If FSG made a mistake biting off more than they can chew, that shouldn’t mean LFC has to forever lower it’s ambition and end up with a miserable tarted up stadium with a mickey mouse 58,000 seats. Not to mention the begging bowl approach in the transfer market, I feel diminished and demeaned by all this poverty.


No, they are managing the club as good patrons. If they did what you want them to, we will end up like Leeds.

And if they continue to manage it as they have done there’s every chance we’ll end up like Stoke or Sunderland, hanging on to the coat tails of the PL by our teeth. To compete with the best we need proper investment at all levels stadia included, so far that’s not happening. Without that investment we can hardly expect Rodgers and the players to repeat last season’s heroics season on season.

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So Stoke and Sunderland have 60000 stadiums?

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Originally Posted By: Maxi88
So Stoke and Sunderland have 60000 stadiums?


We are not stoke and sunderland Maxi we are one of the biggest clubs in the world brand wise and we shop at Asda and look for special offers

Not good enough


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So to compare us to stoke or Sunderland is a pretty poor comparison

I'm still waiting for an answer as to where I insulted you. It seemed to stem from the fact that I pointed out to you that as an accountant you'd understand inflation rates. That somehow has become an insult

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