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Few typo's there turts  No doubt ;p
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Fair enough marko I accept your points I am not saying we should have new owners but I would have no problem if we did I just don't think FSG have either the muscle or the will. It's maybe true they are "the best of the rest" but that's not great. Another thing I would point out are we not allowed to challenge them ? As fans we should we should not accept slavisly whatever they propose. We should challenge them at every stage if we take the analogy of a public company they are the directors we are the shareholders.
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No problem with challenging them Stanley but the major issue is your dismissal of positive things they have done for the club. Your personal views over the stadium have made you incredibly biased
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Fair enough marko I accept your points I am not saying we should have new owners but I would have no problem if we did I just don't think FSG have either the muscle or the will. It's maybe true they are "the best of the rest" but that's not great. Another thing I would point out are we not allowed to challenge them ? As fans we should we should not accept slavisly whatever they propose. We should challenge them at every stage if we take the analogy of a public company they are the directors we are the shareholders. I can't see how we could challenge them by taking the most cost effective position when it comes to the stadium. If they were forking out money from the club, then yes, but on the contrary they have taken over almost all bank loans as interest free shareholder's loans, which as you know is quasi equity. Do you know that the club was in negative equity territory at the end of the last financial year?
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Stan, the way i see it is, there are no oil Barons lininng up to buy the club. The current owners are doing a good Job with the club. Screaming "bloodY murder" is simoly counter productive at the moment. Getting FSG to put the club up for sale now does not in any way guarantee we will get a sheikh owner. We might end up with another Hicks and Gillett. The club really needs some stability, in all departments, managerial and ownership.
Until FSG do something horribly wrong, and there are no indications of that IMO, and we are performing on and off the pitch, i see no reason to call for them to go.
There is my explanation with reasoning, for a millionth time. Perhaps you could refrain from saying we dont explain our views when in reality you bave recieved explanations from eaxh and every one of us. Granted, this is a simplified version, but right now i dont have the time for an extensive post going into detail. But i jave put thaz down in the past too.
Anyway, i am not insulting you but i have had to endure all sorts from many, including witty jabs from yourself about the fact that i am unable to attend every game. I dont mind, my dont make personal and dont fool yourself into believing that because you are a semi retired CA who has been lucky enough to go to games regularly, you are more passionate or more knowledgeable on LFC. You might well be, i am not saying you arent, but believe you me, i also want what is best for the club and fans. FSG are like the curate’s egg; they’re good in spots. However what you describe there Ninja is the very essence of mediocrity. LFC never saw itself as 2nd best to anybody...until now and we’re being asked to accept that now, because owners unfit for the challenge, managed to nip in and pick up a bargain. That may suit the owners but what about the future standing and progress of the club. I’m a football fan and an LFC fan, I’m not an accountant, I don’t care what the owners pecuniary difficulties are, if they’re not up to the job why make excuses for them, and why are they here if it’s too much for them? If FSG made a mistake biting off more than they can chew, that shouldn’t mean LFC has to forever lower it’s ambition and end up with a miserable tarted up stadium with a mickey mouse 58,000 seats. Not to mention the begging bowl approach in the transfer market, I feel diminished and demeaned by all this poverty.
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No problem with challenging them Stanley but the major issue is your dismissal of positive things they have done for the club. Your personal views over the stadium have made you incredibly biased They have brought some stability to the club I accept. The appointment of dalglish was a catastrophe and reckless as any google search would have told them. They redeemed themselves with the appointment of Rodgers. As for the sponsorship if no other club was getting it then yes but we are doing no better than the other top 5 as far as I can see. All these positives are not nearly enough to meet the clubs needs. We are second best and it seems fans accept second best which is the more worrying, As for me being incredibly biased I dispute that rather more likely I have a view that differs from yours and hence once again out come the insults and labels. I want what's best for the club and as for mr Henry's financial challenges that's his business if he is not up to the job then he should clear off and allow someone in who is
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Stan, the way i see it is, there are no oil Barons lininng up to buy the club. The current owners are doing a good Job with the club. Screaming "bloodY murder" is simoly counter productive at the moment. Getting FSG to put the club up for sale now does not in any way guarantee we will get a sheikh owner. We might end up with another Hicks and Gillett. The club really needs some stability, in all departments, managerial and ownership.
Until FSG do something horribly wrong, and there are no indications of that IMO, and we are performing on and off the pitch, i see no reason to call for them to go.
There is my explanation with reasoning, for a millionth time. Perhaps you could refrain from saying we dont explain our views when in reality you bave recieved explanations from eaxh and every one of us. Granted, this is a simplified version, but right now i dont have the time for an extensive post going into detail. But i jave put thaz down in the past too.
Anyway, i am not insulting you but i have had to endure all sorts from many, including witty jabs from yourself about the fact that i am unable to attend every game. I dont mind, my dont make personal and dont fool yourself into believing that because you are a semi retired CA who has been lucky enough to go to games regularly, you are more passionate or more knowledgeable on LFC. You might well be, i am not saying you arent, but believe you me, i also want what is best for the club and fans. FSG are like the curate’s egg; they’re good in spots. However what you describe there Ninja is the very essence of mediocrity. LFC never saw itself as 2nd best to anybody...until now and we’re being asked to accept that now, because owners unfit for the challenge, managed to nip in and pick up a bargain. That may suit the owners but what about the future standing and progress of the club. I’m a football fan and an LFC fan, I’m not an accountant, I don’t care what the owners pecuniary difficulties are, if they’re not up to the job why make excuses for them, and why are they here if it’s too much for them? If FSG made a mistake biting off more than they can chew, that shouldn’t mean LFC has to forever lower it’s ambition and end up with a miserable tarted up stadium with a mickey mouse 58,000 seats. Not to mention the begging bowl approach in the transfer market, I feel diminished and demeaned by all this poverty. No, they are managing the club as good patrons. If they did what you want them to, we will end up like Leeds.
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So thats what we have to be grateful for Vish is it ?
We are not Leeds !!!!!!!!!!
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No problem with challenging them Stanley but the major issue is your dismissal of positive things they have done for the club. Your personal views over the stadium have made you incredibly biased They have brought some stability to the club I accept. The appointment of dalglish was a catastrophe and reckless as any google search would have told them. They redeemed themselves with the appointment of Rodgers. As for the sponsorship if no other club was getting it then yes but we are doing no better than the other top 5 as far as I can see. All these positives are not nearly enough to meet the clubs needs. We are second best and it seems fans accept second best which is the more worrying, As for me being incredibly biased I dispute that rather more likely I have a view that differs from yours and hence once again out come the insults and labels. I want what's best for the club and as for mr Henry's financial challenges that's his business if he is not up to the job then he should clear off and allow someone in who is I already pointed out to you yesterday that we are doing better than Chelsea and arsenal and that was by the 2012 accounts. We have improved further since then. We are not at a level with united yet and man city have similar shady deals that psg have so they are hard to judge the commercial side of it Can you please point out where I have insulted you or are you going to continue claiming it because if that's your tactic ill see it as plain wumming
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"As for what business the owner is from as mr donut wants to pick and choose from well that really is narrowing our options to an extraordinary degree. Incidently mr Henry is a banker are we happy with that ?" What on earth are you on about? Yes, I only want oil rich owners who will reduce season ticket prices, build us a flash new stadium, buy us the league & every player we could ever wish for - FSG OUT!!!!! Come on Stan, really?
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